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This is a different list that what I usually utilize but I think that it would work well for the upcoming 'ard boyz. What is your opinion?

HQ- (Both Stand-ins)
Chaplain Cassius

Vulkan He'stan

Elt-
Terminators x5 - Chainfist x2 and Heavy Flamer
Land Raider - PM Multi-Melta

Assault Terminators x5 - TH/SS x4 and LC x1 (Models I Have)
Land Raider Redeemer - PM Multi-Melta

Trp-
Tactical Squad x10 - Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, and Powerfist
Rhino

Tactical Squad x10 - Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, and Powerfist
Rhino

Tactical Squad x10 - Flamer, Plasma Cannon, Combi-Flamer, and Powerfist
Rhino

Scout Squad x5 - BP/CCW x4, Powerfist, Combi-Melta

Fst-
Land Speeder Storm - Heavy Flamer

Hvy-
Predator - Sponson Lascannons and Turret Autocannon

Predator - Sponson Lascannons and Turret Autocannon

Vindicator

I would consider using vindicators instead of preds, because that way you can have your rhinos hide behind AV13, and the vindicators will have AV14 side armor cover. I also suggest trading Cassius for a librarian with null zone.

Cassius isn't worth his points imo.


Imo, the powerfist on the scout sarge is a waste of points. Give him a power weapon if you really want, but a fist isn't worth it. Replace it by fusion bombs instead for the anti-tank.

Your tac squads all have powerfists. As for the scouts, it is rather a waste of points. Your tac sqauds will ideally stay out of combat and blow up tanks with their meltas. Loose the fists, get fusion bombs and save 20 points. With 3 tac squads, you save 60 points.

librisrouge wrote:
Chaplain Cassius

Vulkan He'stan

Get yourself a Librarian instead of Cassius; you'll need the Psychic Hood and Nullzone if you're intending on going to a tournament.

librisrouge wrote:
Elt-
Terminators x5 - Chainfist x2 and Heavy Flamer
Land Raider - PM Multi-Melta

Assault Terminators x5 - TH/SS x4 and LC x1 (Models I Have)
Land Raider Redeemer - PM Multi-Melta

That's a nice mix of TH/SS and LC. Why bother with the regular Terminator squad though? You're already paying over 250 points for the Land Raider, you may as well make them Assault Terminators to take better advantage of the Assault Ramp and the Master-crafted Thunderhammers. Plus it lessens the need for Cassuis.

librisrouge wrote:
Trp-
Tactical Squad x10 - Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, and Powerfist
Rhino

Tactical Squad x10 - Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, and Powerfist
Rhino

Tactical Squad x10 - Flamer, Plasma Cannon, Combi-Flamer, and Powerfist
Rhino

Scout Squad x5 - BP/CCW x4, Powerfist, Combi-Melta

That's a lot of troops! You can go ahead and get rid of all the Powerfists, as you've already got 2 units of Terminators with Assault Ramps to take out the big scary stuff that only TH/SS can deal with. Your tactical squads should be staying well away from combat and providing fire support. I would also consider getting rid of the Multi-Meltas; it might sound crazy, but you should already be packing enough Multi-Meltas elsewhere that they aren't required. I would get more Plasma Cannons instead for better fire support.

librisrouge wrote:
Fst-
Land Speeder Storm - Heavy Flamer

I would seriously consider adding some MM/HF Land Speeders in here, perhaps two squadrons of two. There is a reason why every Vulkan list you see has them; they are so effective and so damn cheap for what they give you.

librisrouge wrote:
Hvy-
Predator - Sponson Lascannons and Turret Autocannon

Predator - Sponson Lascannons and Turret Autocannon

Vindicator

I like the Predators, but I would drop the Vindicator to make room for additional MM/HF Land Speeders first.

unbeliever87 wrote:[

librisrouge wrote:
Fst-
Land Speeder Storm - Heavy Flamer

I would seriously consider adding some MM/HF Land Speeders in here, perhaps two squadrons of two. There is a reason why every Vulkan list you see has them; they are so effective and so damn cheap for what they give you.

I can't resist this but WHAT IF HE FACES MYCETIC SPORES!!!!!!?? You know what happens with Speeders!!!

If you wanna keep your speeder switch to a multimelta that way you can gank something if you have first turn. And drop cassius for some regular land speeders.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Cassius isn't worth his points imo.

Toughness 6, FNP, Mater-craft combi-flamer with hellfire rounds, chaplain, for 125 points not worth his points???? Seriously? Sorry but you and your fusion bombs have no clue IMO




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unbeliever87 wrote:
That's a nice mix of TH/SS and LC. Why bother with the regular Terminator squad though? You're already paying over 250 points for the Land Raider, you may as well make them Assault Terminators to take better advantage of the Assault Ramp and the Master-crafted Thunderhammers. Plus it lessens the need for Cassuis.

He would have to make one squad assault terminators and regular terminators if he wants to have two dedicated Land Raiders as transports.

Cassius is absolutely not worth his points because:

1) He takes the slot away from your psychic hood/null zone option.

2) TH/SS terminators don't need help.

OP:

This list is all over the place, and it doesn't feel like you have a plan to support any of the pieces when they go out to do their job (such as the one assault terminator squad with nothing else that will be really leaving the back-mid table).

General_Chaos wrote:

unbeliever87 wrote:
That's a nice mix of TH/SS and LC. Why bother with the regular Terminator squad though? You're already paying over 250 points for the Land Raider, you may as well make them Assault Terminators to take better advantage of the Assault Ramp and the Master-crafted Thunderhammers. Plus it lessens the need for Cassuis.

He would have to make one squad assault terminators and regular terminators if he wants to have two dedicated Land Raiders as transports.

Correct. Luckily I advised him to drop the Vindicator, giving him exactly one free Heavy Support slot for the Land Raider.

Eyclonus wrote:WHAT IF HE FACES MYCETIC SPORES!!!!!!??

Yeah...I recently played against the new 'Nids and lost a squadron of 2 MM/HF Land Speeders to a Mycetic Spore, good times.

I'd advise a taking a vanilla LR over a redeemer. The Godhammer(s) help with transports.

But there is no point in taking a land raider unless its transporting assault termies.

Your first statement is however entirely correct. He is totally worth his pts, only problem is that he takes up a FOC which could be used for a Libby with Nullzone