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I just gained a chaos sorcerer and am giving it lash. I was just wondering, is it more effective to use it as a supportive weapon or rely on a double+ lash army?

If you decide to make your army rely too much on Lash, you wil open yourself up to losing a lot of games. Lash is an extremely powerful army, but it is also very easy to minimize the effect of (psychic hoods, mechanized, etc). I use Lash as an accessory in my army because I think it is really important to be able to win games without it.

My friend uses lash either offensively or defensively, depending on the in-game situation. For instance, If i run a 3-strong brood of carnifexes his way, he will lash them away and into area terrain (forcing them to roll for movement). On the other hand, If i have a brood of zoanthropes giving him some anti-tank trouble, He'll lash them closer and assault with berzerkers, etc.

I don't think it's an overpowered spell, but it is annoying trying to maneuver your models only to have the enemy move them for you in the next turn....

Don't ever count on lash working and center your battle plans around it, even if your enemy has no psychic defense as the psychic test can fail.

Easiest way to use it is to enhance shooting by clustering units for a template like a battle cannon, or plasma cannon. Havok missile launchers are also really good against soft targets like orcs or genestealers.

If you move bikes or jump troops into difficult terrain they have to take a dangerous terrain test to move out of it (unless jump infantry walks out of it)

It also works really well in a mechanized list that has a summoned greater deamon. Lash a unit within 6" of a greater deamon on the turn it arrives and the assault can hit your opponent like a lighting bolt coming out of a clear sky.

Best way to use Lash is to play the guy at your store who throws hissy fits whenever he doesnt "like" something or think "its fair".. or he has "no way" to counter it because its "cheesy"

Take 2 princes in that case and lash every unit he has.. If you have trouble finding the guy, hes usually mid thirties and he stands around critiquing other peoples games all day yet never plays.. he might even post on internet 40k boards usually in response to tournament questions due to his skill level

On topic tho :p As above said.. basically dont use it as your strategy.. Your strategy should be shooting people with oblits or charging them with berserkers or something like that.. So lash would simply enhance it as would a land raider for assaults

Making it your crutch is asking to be shut down with a hood

Well, I play EC and usually take two winged lash Princes.
I use the lash in concert with doom siren (NM units mounted in Rhinos) and plasma cannons (Obliterators).

I sometimes take Lash because it is the only Chaos HQ that adds any utility to the army as a whole.

People complain about Lash because unlike other mobility-enhancing powers (which is what it boils down to in the end) it affects their models rather than your own.

As has been mentioned earlier, it is unreliable and can be mitigated by such simple steps as bringing a psychic hood (available to any imperial army) or putting your guys in rhinos, or simply not having any super-valuable targets on the table (if playing against lash, think about not blobbing your infantry squads, for example).

The mechanization defense is not perfect, because as we all know a rhino can get 'sploded. However, if the Lash is on a easily-killed Daemon Prince (T5 and 4 wounds with 3+ save is not impressive) then it is likely that the DP will die before enough of your opponent's mechanization is shut down for him to do anything.

For this reason, I like to run Lash on a sorcerer in a rhino squad. He can fire his lash out the top hatch once you've destroyed enough of your opponent's mech to make a difference.

Been playing the game for a year and a half, been no other army except chaos and never used lash. I'm of the opinion that it's nothing more then a crutch for players with low tactical ability. Have you ever seen a lash player attempt a list without it? look like a fish out of water, lol.

You can't put terminators in rhinos.

Are you using a Terminator sorcerer?

willydstyle wrote:For this reason, I like to run Lash on a sorcerer in a rhino squad. He can fire his lash out the top hatch once you've destroyed enough of your opponent's mech to make a difference.

Amen. He adds to the army without adding a crutch, so to speak.

Lash wins games, look at most of the latest tourney top ten lists, always someone playing it. When I play 40k I'm looking to have fun and become a better player. Any game I can take something away with me that improves my skills is fine with me. I'd be a liar and an idiot if I said I didn't care about winning, we all do, Its just not my top priority. It's my humble opinion that use of lash stagnates your tactical growth, therefore I do not use it.

I use it as a supplement. I've ran a Lash Sorc as my HQ from the beginning. In a squad of plague marines he's durable as sin and quite killy. Lash gets used most often to move an enemy unit up out of position and well ahead of the rest of my opponent's army into bolter/charge range. That unit gets slaughtered while everybody else is still moving into position.

I've also used it defensively to keep a nasty squad of nobs at bay while kept at bay for a couple of turns while I picked off their numbers with bolter fire.

It's nice utility and one of the few things we have that can affect the board.