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HQ
Abaddon

Daemon Prince
*mark of slaanesh
*lash
*wings

TROOPS
10 Khorne Beserkers
*champion w/ power weapon, plas. pistol and melta bombs
10 Khorne Beserkers (same stuff)

10 Thousand S.
*doombolt
(In Rhino w/ havoc)
10 Thousand S. (same stuff)

10 Plague Marines
*champion w/ power weapon and plas. pistol
*2 plas. guns
10 Plague Marines (same stuff)

ELITES
5 Chosen Marines
*mark of khorne
*4 power weapons
5 Chosen Marines (same)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Defiler w/ extra arm and lascannon

TOTAL POINTS: 2492 (8 pts short)

Yes, i know, very spammy and boring.
Comments?

Well, lets start at the top.

How do you plan on delivering Abaddon? Walking him with troops is a bad idea. Deepstrike or Landraider are preferred methods but you lack both of those options.

Daemon Prince looks good.

Khorne Bezerkers need to be in a rhino, or a landraider. Footslogging is a bad idea. Remove plasma pistol and melta bombs, they are point sinks and zerkers shouldnt be charging vehicles. Power weapon is okay on zerkers, powerfist is better imo.

Thousand Sons look okay, just expensive at 277 a squad, not including the rhino. I run rhinos naked, keeps them cheap and effective and allows the rhinos to make good mobile cover.

Again on the plague marines, remove the plas pistol, its 15 points for something that just isnt needed. Definitely need a powerfist here. Plague Marines are I3 so more often that not, they are going last anyways, go for the powerfist. Seeing as you have virtually no anti-tank i would suggest double melta-guns here. They are needed badly.

5 chosen, without a rhino made for CC is a waste. They will be shot down before they ever get into CC. If anything give them melta guns, and infiltrate to try and pick off a few tanks. Personally, i would scrap the whole chosen idea, as they really arent worth the points. I would use the points for heavy support.

Most chaos lists i see run 3 heavy support, always. Defilers should be run in pairs, at 2500 points there should be more than enough long ranged fire to see it dead on turn 1. For this list i would run 2 defilers and a full squad of oblits. This gives good long range support as everything else in this list is made for CC. It also synergizes well with Lash.

Overall, there is a lack of anti-tank and way too many troops. I would say 4, mayyyyyybe 5 troops max. 6 is just too many. Abaddon needs a way to be delivered, more long range support, more rhinos.

What do you think of these modifications:

HQ
Daemon Prince
*(same as before)
Abaddon

TROOPS
10 KB
*champ
*PF
(rhino)
10 KB
*same
(rhino)

9 Thousand S.
*doombolt
(rhino)
9 Thousand S.
*same
(rhino)

ELITES
4 Termies
*mark of khorne
*all champions
(landraider)

HEAVY
Defiler
*extra arm
*las
Defiler
*same
3 Obliterators


Daemon prince has wings so he can move up equally fast as the tanks.
Abaddon is now in a landraider with the terminators to give him an extra punch
Defilers and Oblits give anti-tank firepower
mostly oblits tho
Defiler focuses on blowing a whole in the opponent's infantry but can be used for AT if nessasary
hopefully the obliterators wont get too far behind with slow and purposeful

Thanks for the advice

Looks pretty good to me. I wouldnt recommend lascannon on the defilers as when you shoot the battle cannon, you cant shoot the lascannon.

To make a terminator a champion, it costs 10 points, which gives you 1 extra attack. Make them all regular terminators, and give them some weapons or add more bodies to the TS squad. But 10 points for 1 attack is not economical.

Princes are ok.
Abby is ok in the raider…but termies means he’s not fearless, which means he can fallback or be pinned…all the worse possible things of being non-fearless are available to be had with him.

Troops:
KB are ok.
TS: meh.
There is a lack of special weapons, the bread and butter of the CSM list.

Termies: ICON of Khorne, to hell with champions, get Lightning Claws instead… +1A AND (ANDDDD) rr to wound.
LR is their delivery method but is itself meh.

Hvy Support is decent.

Looks solid, save the aforementioned Las. Maybe something cheaper if you need precision, like the autocannon.

Sometimes a template is unwanted.

Or forgoe that altogether and give the Landraider Daemonic Possession, or something.

land raiders used for transport generally need daemonic possession to get the job done. Since you are using it as a transport, might as well go for it.

I'm a big advocate of double DCCW defilers. They can do so, so much damage in assault, plus fleet makes it a great deal.

Love the Abaddon and 4 Khorne Champs in the LR. Great stuff.