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Played againts the hoof-footed communists (Tau) on Saturday. The Tau player got a little angsty when I dropped mortars on his Stealth Suits without having to roll to see them. We couldn't find a rule forbidding this. I just want to make sure it was within the rules.

Thanks,

If they use "night Fighting" it is easy, as barrage can still try to hit, but deviate 3D6" if they dont hit.

If the Stealth Suits DONT follow Night Fight, unless there is a specific mention in their rules Barrage (or other non-LOS) dont seem to need to roll to see them.

If memory serves they don't use Night Fight specifically. It just says roll 2D6x3, and the result is halved in Night Fight.

Oshova

From looking at the rules, it states any enemy unit attempting to FIRE at the unit must roll 2D6x3, "as if fighting at night"

This is not Night Fighting, however it requires you to roll if you wish to target the unit - not "see" as in LOS, but target.

As such it seems *any* unit is affected, even those not requiring LOS.

So does that mean that you roll to see. But if they don't roll far enough you roll 3D6 deviation?

Oshova

No, it means they DONT follow Night Fighting, it states you can only shoot at the unit if you can "see" them - and it doesnt seem to care if you require LOS at all.

Same as Veil of Tears for Harlequins.

Awesome. Mortar-Proof from over 18" away. =D Going to guess that counts for any indirect fire then =]

Oshova

Yeah, it's all on page 27...it's important to note that barrage weapons that are actually able to fire at them have to roll an additional d6" for scatter (total 3d6").

They're expensive and they don't do much but they're hard to kill by shooting them.

Especially has they can hop into just within 18", then hop back out again using their Jump Packs =]

Oshova

Edit: Just to clarify, the average roll is 21" so by staying just under 24" away you're staying over the average distance. =]

Yeah, the only problem is that their guns are so short range. They need access to long barrel burst cannons (forge world).

Burst Cannons are 18" range right?

Yeah. I think long barrels are 24"

Imagine a stealth unit with plasma rifles.... *drool*

*drool* indeed lol

Sadly if you want to maximise the Suits you need Fusion Blasters, at 12" range . . . 6" to get Melta =/

Oshova

Which is why I never take them. They're 30pts each and aren't any more killy than a firewarrior team in cover...maybe even less so and they take an elite slot.

I like how the stealth 'vre has one less toughness and one less WS and BS and 2 less Initiative compared to a space marine sergeant.....for 40pts. Oh but he has the stealth generator...blah I say.

Sad but true. I would rather fill up all 3 slots with Crisis Suits =D

There's a reason I picked Oshova as my name =p

Oshova

agnosto wrote:Yeah, it's all on page 27...it's important to note that barrage weapons that are actually able to fire at them have to roll an additional d6" for scatter (total 3d6").

They're expensive and they don't do much but they're hard to kill by shooting them.

Thats not qwuite true = they *don't* follow night fighting, they state "as if fighting at night", hwoever have do not have the added stipulation about barrage.

if barrage weapons want to see them they must roll "to see" and cannot fire if they do not roll high enough.

BRB says specifically that Barrage Weapons can fire at units they cannot see. Page 32.

It also suggests the rules stack - so you get an extra D6 if you scatter due to the Stealth Suit, and an additional one if Night fighting is present...

I'm willing to accept the extra scatter. I just want to make sure it's legal to target the stealth suits with barrage weapons. The rules seem to support this.

Yep, you seem to be able to - horribly written Tau empire codex notwithstanding

it says "if firing at models equipped with stealth field generators while the Night Fighting special rule is in effect, NO FUTHER EFFECT IS GAINED" (pg 27 tau codex)

i'm sure its already said...

Anything shooting at it must roll to see if it can see it. 2d6x3 just like in night fighting.

Barrage weapons that target, and successfully see the unit, must then roll 3d6 for scatter, not 2d6.

Maximum range to see a stealth suit is 36" any further away from the firer and it can never see it, obvious exception is barrage and ordinance, which are specifically permitted to shoot at them "in the dark"

hmm, i knew this straight away.

Ok, well, the Tau codex says "as if firing at night." Page 95 of the BRB states that barrage weapons may still fire at targets in the dark, but with an extra d6 scatter.

Cletusthebold wrote:Ok, well, the Tau codex says "as if firing at night." Page 95 of the BRB states that barrage weapons may still fire at targets in the dark, but with an extra d6 scatter.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Thats not quite true = they *don't* follow night fighting, they state "as if fighting at night", however have do not have the added stipulation about barrage.

if barrage weapons want to see them they must roll "to see" and cannot fire if they do not roll high enough.

It doesn't say use the night fighting rules. It says make a roll for distance, and if you are to far, you can't shoot them. It doesn't say you don't have LOS, it says you can't shoot them.

It adds later, Barrage weapons scatter an additional D6 when targeting a stealth unit.


So, All weapons.. no matter what, Have to roll, and if you don't make the roll, you can't shoot at them or anything else that turn (based on the wording)