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I have used the search feature and forum browsing to try and better understand the LOS and Cover rules 5th ed, and I apologize in advance that I'm sure this has been covered and while I'm sure some use the search features responses are inevitable, I'm hoping a knowledgeable player can give me some insight on a few points.

1.) It seems to me that by the RAW, if no units in my squad A can see a single unit in your squad B, I obviously can not shoot at you. HOWEVER, if you have just one guy around a corner which my entire squad can see, I could possibly kill your entire squad, although you would of course receive a cover save. Is this right?

2.) Each and every firing unit must pass both distance and LOS (to only one unit, even all to a single unit) checks to be able to roll.

3.) Looking at these two above point in combination, it would seem to me that two squads could be stationed in such a way that if they were not moving from turn to turn, I may be shooting at your entire squad (with cover saves), and you would only be able to respond with a single shooter. Something seems wrong here.

Thanks for your input!

1) Yes
2) Individual models within the unit have to be able to draw los to shoot, is that what you meant?
3) Its correct, though the squad that can fully see your one guy is probably able to be shot at by many units.

Lesson learned: try to hide that useless guy or bring the squad out but in cover.

1) Yes. This is intentional to prevent the Range / LOS sniping rediculous-ness of last edition
2) I think you confuse model and unit - models are the components of a unit, so every firing model must have range AND los to at least one model in the target unit.
3) Yes, that is correct.

This is because you have control over where you move: if youre stupid enough to leave one guy out in the open, then tough. Same when it coems to shooting - if you choose to not move your models so you can see, well thats your own stupidity.

The questions have been answered, but I thought it was also worth saving some confusion later by mentioning that the individuals within a squad are referred to as 'models' rather than 'units'... 'Unit' refers to an element of your army (a squad, a vehicle, a monstrous creature, etc...) made up of one or more models.

For a rundown on how that works, check out pages 3-5 of the rulebook.

Now I'm confused, in regards to number 3.

Page 16 says "All models in a firing unit that have LOS to at least one model in the target unit can fire"

If that is the case, how could you fire more shots than just what the one man around the corner can?

BEcause every mdoel in one unit (A) can see that one model in unit B, whereas only model in unit B can see any of unit A.

With a different gun that doesn't need LoS.

ChrisCP wrote:With a different gun that doesn't need LoS.

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morgendonner wrote:Now I'm confused, in regards to number 3.

Page 16 says "All models in a firing unit that have LOS to at least one model in the target unit can fire"

If that is the case, how could you fire more shots than just what the one man around the corner can?

You can't. The point was that the unit that is in the open can see one model from the enemy unit, and so can all shoot that unit. In response, though, only that one model in the enemy unit can see the unit in the open, and so only he can shoot back at them.

You only need LOS to one model in the unit to shoot the unit. But in the firing unit, only those models with LOS can fire.