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In the Lore of Shadows.
The spell Creeping Death states if successfully cast the creeping death hits its target and etc etc..
Does that mean you can target anyone, as in a single character model to deal 3d6 hits on, or can you just say i wish to target that entire unit, Or just pick out a single person in that unit, as long as you have LoS and stuff?

Also a dark elf related question.

The black staff contains the bound spell, Power of darkness.
In the rule book it says a wizard may only attempt to cast each of their spells once.
Bound spells held in a magic item is cast in the magic phase like other spells.
So the wizard uses the magic item to cast the spell, or does it allow the wizard to cast the spell because of the item.
Which leads to if someone dispells the bound spell. Can the wizard still use her own version of the spell considering the magic item spell isnt her own its from the magic item?
also can the wizard use the bound spell, And her own version of the spell too (no definitive stating you can't do this in the rule book, That i can find anyway, i'd say no because it sounds a bit cheesy)
meaning i could have 2d3+2 power dice + how ever many for being X lvl wizard? etc

Thanks guys

I don't have my book on me, but I'm pretty sure Creeping Death hits a target unit, not a target model. If a character is running about by itself, then you can target the single character. If it is in a unit, you target the entire unit and if you roll enough in your 3d6 then you may allocate one onto the character/unique command.

The bound spell isn't really a Dark Elf-specific question, but I do see why you could see it as one. Bound items do not count as the bearer having cast that spell, so does not count against the wizard's ability to cast the spell on its own. Yes, a Lv.3+ Supreme Sorceress can take the Black Staff and effectively get 2d3+2 PD per turn if neither casting of Power of Darkness is dispelled. If you do not use these dice due to the magic phase ending early or lack of targets, though, that's a bunch of pain coming her way. It's also easier to miscast on that many dice simply due to odds.

The Black Staff and Sacrificial Dagger can make the relatively inexpensive combination of a Lv.4 and Lv.2 Sorceress into a very respectable offensive magic phase without a big investment in character slots and points. The problem for the Lv.2 is that you have to hope you roll the spells you want since only two out of a Lore isn't always the best outcome.

I have the 7th edition rule book here and it really does just say 'If successfully cast, the Creeping death hits its target and causes X and Y'
which made it confusing

Yeah its a dangerous tactics but i wanted to stick it on morathi for massive power pool and cast every spell

in the Power of darkness bit of the book it says you use different dice for these additional ones because they could kill you, But i dont see anything saying you can't just use all the bonus dice first before using your normal power dice.
So by using all the Darkness dice for top end spells then getting down to your original 4 for being a level 4 wizard that seems perfectly legit to me
Morathi with a potential 13 power dice <3

Only just started collecting and being poor all i have is a battalion box, 2 bolt throwers, 3 sorc's and morathi ;D makes 2000pts.

Thanks for the reply though! Will hopefully get to try it out in my first game when friends are home from easter hopefully she doesn't get eatten by the miscast daemon

ANytime you see the word "target" you are restricted by what target means - and you target units, you can never target models within a unit.

Yes, you can use the bonus dice first, nothing stops you doing that - they are "normal" power dice, it is only if you dont use them you get hurt!

Morathi cant use lore of death, only Lore of Dark Magic

I also don't think you can put the Black Staff on Morathi as she is a special character and her equipment cannot be changed, unless she has a special rule that I don't know about, which she may have because I have never looked through the Dark Elf book, let alone read the thing.

So.

Creeping death is a magic missile. All rules for magic missiles apply (targeted at units, etc. see pg. 110)

Bound Spells.

The item automatically casts the spell, not necessarily the wizard. If you have a bound spell and the regular version of the spell, you can use both in the same turn.

Arion wrote:I also don't think you can put the Black Staff on Morathi as she is a special character and her equipment cannot be changed, unless she has a special rule that I don't know about, which she may have because I have never looked through the Dark Elf book, let alone read the thing.

Morethai can choose any one enchanted or arcane item. The Black Staff is a really nasty choice for her...

Ahh, so there is a rule. cool, thanks for the info. Now that I think about it, Every time I've played against Morathi she has had this Item. I just didn't know it was a regular Arcane Item.

Orkestra wrote:So.

Creeping death is a magic missile. All rules for magic missiles apply (targeted at units, etc. see pg. 110)

Bound Spells.

The item automatically casts the spell, not necessarily the wizard. If you have a bound spell and the regular version of the spell, you can use both in the same turn.

Didn't read the magic missile bit of the spell thanks! makes sense now

Thanks for the replies! thats both my questions answered yaay.
Only 1 week untill i can actually play woooo.