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Can a Nob (attached to a boyz squad) embarked on a transport with boarding plank attack a vehicle within 2" if the squad shot at something different earlier in the round?

Yes.

The plank makes no distinctions of initiating the assault. It is just a single model making attacks against a target.

If you want to argue;

The limitation of assaulting only what you shot at in the same turn only affects choosing a target to assault.
The Trukk actually makes the targeting decision, since the plank is a vehicle upgrade, and nominates a model to make attacks as if charging.

There is no assault initiation and models do not get locked in combat.

You can shoot out of the vehicle at one unit and then plank another.

I would disagree.

The plank allows the model to make an assault exactly as if it were disembarked and charging.

The plank facilitates the assault. It doesn't choose the target, or in any way change the normal rules for charging beyond allowing the model to assault without actually moving or disembarking.

So no, the limitation on assaulting what you shot would still apply.

But didn't you yourself argue not too long ago (FD thread iirc) The the normal rules for assaulting didn't apply, such as BtB?
Also if the model was disambarked and charging wouldn't it be temporarily a different unit/able to choose it's own target.
And (weaker argument here... This one grasps at straws actually) couldn't it be considered that it's part of a multi-assault so as longs as the unit still assault what was orginally shot at the conditions of assaulting the unit shot at be met?

ChrisCP wrote:But didn't you yourself argue not too long ago (FD thread iirc) The the normal rules for assaulting didn't apply, such as BtB?

I argued that the vehicle being charged doesn't get to attack back because there is no base contact, and therefore no engagement zone.

That has nothing to do with whether or not the assaulting model follows those rules for assaulting that aren't over-ridden by the plank's rules.

Also if the model was disambarked and charging wouldn't it be temporarily a different unit/able to choose it's own target.

No. Whether or not it should be considered a unit of one model or not (and I see no reason it should be) if the model fired, it can only assault what it shot at.

And (weaker argument here... This one grasps at straws actually) couldn't it be considered that it's part of a multi-assault so as longs as the unit still assault what was orginally shot at the conditions of assaulting the unit shot at be met?

How is it a multi-assault? It's only one model using the plank. Single models can only engage a single enemy.

Yep thanks.

Creation of a new unit - wouldn't share the 'memory' of what it's old unit shot at.

One model from a unit assaulting a different squad unit?


But now my brains slowly picking up speed, doesn't BP read more along the lines of "...allows a single embarked model to make it's CC attacks against an vehicle within 2" exactly as if it was disembarked and charging..."

So we are given specific permission to make CC attacks against a vehicle if it's with-in 2" which would over-ride the general one must assault the unit shot at, and what's more it isn't actually assaulting the vehicle it's 'as if'?

specific >general

Hit whatever vehicle is close enough with your plank

ChrisCP wrote:Yep thanks.

Creation of a new unit - wouldn't share the 'memory' of what it's old unit shot at.

It may count as a different unit, but it still shot at the same thing. So no, I'm not seeing that.

But now my brains slowly picking up speed, doesn't BP read more along the lines of "...allows a single embarked model to make it's CC attacks against an vehicle within 2" exactly as if it was disembarked and charging..."

So we are given specific permission to make CC attacks against a vehicle if it's with-in 2" which would over-ride the general one must assault the unit shot at, and what's more it isn't actually assaulting the vehicle it's 'as if'?

We're given permission to assault a vehicle, but no specific rule that over-rides any others that may apply to the situation. You're looking for a rule that says '...against a vehicle within 2" regardless of whether or not the model shot at a different target in the shooting phase...'

The BP rule doesn't say that. It gives you permission to assault a vehicle that you otherwise would have to disembark to assault. That's all.

I'm sure it allows CC attacks to be made as if, not an actual assault however... Codex quote time =P

Well it looks like insaniak has it " a boarding plank allows a single embarked ork to make its close combat attacks against an enemy vehicle within 2" exactly as if the ork were disembarked and charging" p.93

Mmm, but it allows you to make CC attacks on a vehicle within two inches. It then goes on to say exactly as if so we can conclued it's not actually an assault just performed in the same fashion - I still don't understand how we're going from an enmany vehicle with in two inches to their actually assaulting so please make the following checks...
One could use a BP through a wall for example because one doesn't need to be in BtB as we're not actually assaulting.

As if, peapole, as if. Thus its not an assault it makes attacks that the model would make in an assault.
Saying assault rules apply is like saying a unit that counter attacked benefits from furious charge, because it says it gets an extra attack as if it was charging.
Clearly counter attack dosent make it a true charge, and neither does a plank make a true assault, it just makes a dude hit a vehicle.

Thanks for the info so far, it seems like it could be ruled either way.

Anyone else care to chime in to help get a consensus?

I agree with Hoverboy (and salute his Bulgarian flag! My wife is Bulgarian and I had a wedding there as well as over here; my in-laws are lovely people).

In a rare instance, I think Insaniak has a bad premise. The embarked Ork unit is not actually assaulting the vehicle, only making attacks as if they had done so. Since no assault is declared or made, the restriction on assaulting the unit one shot at does not come into play.

Awww someone knows Bulgaria my heart melted to you and your wife... As long as you didn't go to Sofia, that place sucks i should know i live there

I've only spent a day and a half in Sofia, for a friend's wedding. It was a'ight, as the kids say. My wife's from Sliven, so that's where I've spent most of my time, with brief visits to Burgas, Plovdiv, etc. Nazdrave!

Its one of those "nice to visit" places

I think Hoverboy's explanation makes more sense to me. I think you just check the logic in the sentence

Vehicle within 2"? Yes.
Got a model inside your vehicle? Yes.
Wanna make some attacks ..as if.. charging that other vehicle? Yes.

No one is really doing an assault.