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Let me try the rules geeks over here...

I am having this discussion with a couple of other folks, and need to figure out a better way of getting my point across. (or finding out that I am wrong...)

A unit of marines deepstrikes via Drop pod, the pod lands in terrain, and the marines get out into the terrain.

Do the marines need to take a Dangerous terrain test?

I say yes, but the main counter argument is:

2) Once the DP lands, the marines and DP are done 'arriving'; since only those "arriving via DS" treat diff as dang; the rule no longer applies

2a) As a corrolary to that, how long do you treat the diff as dangerous? The movement phase? The entire turn? The entire game? What rules help determine this?

Thanks

coredump wrote:Let me try the rules geeks over here...

I am having this discussion with a couple of other folks, and need to figure out a better way of getting my point across. (or finding out that I am wrong...)

A unit of marines deepstrikes via Drop pod, the pod lands in terrain, and the marines get out into the terrain.

Do the marines need to take a Dangerous terrain test?

I say yes, but the main counter argument is:

2) Once the DP lands, the marines and DP are done 'arriving'; since only those "arriving via DS" treat diff as dang; the rule no longer applies

2a) As a corrolary to that, how long do you treat the diff as dangerous? The movement phase? The entire turn? The entire game? What rules help determine this?

Thanks

You are wrong. They do not take a Dangerous Terrain test. Only the Drop Pod Does, for the reason you labeled 2).

DELETE ME!... Please.

And 2nd to what Gwar said, the DP wouldn't land on terrain, it would move away from said terrain, there by bypassing the whole test all together.

For a related followup question; if the drop pod fails its dangerous terrain check it suffers a weapon destroyed result as it's already considered immobilized by the time it makes this check?


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Happygrunt wrote:And 2nd to what Gwar said, the DP wouldn't land on terrain, it would move away from said terrain, there by bypassing the whole test all together.

The Inertial Guidance System prevents it from landing on top of impassable terrain, not difficult terrain.

Neconilis wrote:For a related followup question; if the drop pod fails its dangerous terrain check it suffers a weapon destroyed result as it's already considered immobilized by the time it makes this check?


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Happygrunt wrote:And 2nd to what Gwar said, the DP wouldn't land on terrain, it would move away from said terrain, there by bypassing the whole test all together.

The Inertial Guidance System prevents it from landing on top of impassable terrain, not difficult terrain.

Whops. Thanks for that.

Neconilis wrote:For a related followup question; if the drop pod fails its dangerous terrain check it suffers a weapon destroyed result as it's already considered immobilized by the time it makes this check?

Yes.

As far as I can see, they should be taking the test.


The Deep Strike rules say that models arriving by Deep Strike treat difficult terrain as dangerous.

The Deep Strike rules also treat models arriving in a Deep Striking transport vehicle as models arriving by Deep Strike (5th paragraph).

So, as near as I can see, the pod takes a Dangerous Terrain test when it lands, and the embarked troops take a Dangerous Terrain test as they disembark.

insaniak wrote:As far as I can see, they should be taking the test.


The Deep Strike rules say that models arriving by Deep Strike treat difficult terrain as dangerous.

The Deep Strike rules also treat models arriving in a Deep Striking transport vehicle as models arriving by Deep Strike (5th paragraph).

So, as near as I can see, the pod takes a Dangerous Terrain test when it lands, and the embarked troops take a Dangerous Terrain test as they disembark.

The thing is, they are models who have arrived by Deep Strike. However, as soon as the pod lands, they disembark, which is NOT arriving by Deep Strike.

Gwar! wrote:The thing is, they are models who have arrived by Deep Strike. However, as soon as the pod lands, they disembark, which is NOT arriving by Deep Strike.

The act of disembarking is not Deep Striking. They are still models who have arrived by Deep Strike, and so treat difficult terrain as Dangerous.

Of course, if you follow that to conclusion, the statement on dangerous terrain doesn't actually put any sort of time frame on it, so technically models arriving by Deep Strike will treat difficult terrain as dangerous forever...

Which would, IMO, leave us with two sensible options:
Models arriving by Deep Strike treat difficult terrain as dangerous as they perform the Deep Strike.
or
Models arriving by Deep Strike treat difficult terrain as dangerous on the turn that they Deep Strike.

The first would mean that they don't test. The second would mean that they do.

The second was how I was reading the rule, but I can certainly see the argument for the first.


Whether or not you treat the unit's disembarking from the pod as a separate action, or as a part of the deployment of the pod might influence that somewhat as well (although I'm going with separate action).

Neconilis wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:And 2nd to what Gwar said, the DP wouldn't land on terrain, it would move away from said terrain, there by bypassing the whole test all together.

The Inertial Guidance System prevents it from landing on top of impassable terrain, not difficult terrain.

The Inertial Guidance system only reduces scatter if the pod would scatter onto impassable terrain - it doesn't move you away if you place it, chance on it scattering and get a HIT.