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Although I have not played any tournament for many a year due to several unpleasant experiences , some which ended in my minis broken , I got into a discussion recently about Army Comp and scoring in tournaments . Why does it appear that if it's spam , its a negative . Or if one runs a bigmek dred/kan army it's spam , or speed freaks , or greentide ? How can one make an Ork list that is both competitive and good in army comp ? From my little discussion with my friends it doesn't seem possible . Thoughts ???

The current groupthink promoted by GW is that trying to win is a bad thing.

Basically, if you don't do literally everything possible to handicap yourself before an event, you're a bad person in the eyes of some.

I've found it's best to ignore the people who try to tell you that you're a bad person for playing a certain way with your little plastic men.

Lork Skystompa wrote:Although I have not played any tournament for many a year due to several unpleasant experiences , some which ended in my minis broken

This is surely the sadest thing I've read in a while. I'm very much hoping that it wasn't deliberate.

For your problem with comp, I have no idea what to tell you. I'm one for just making the list you'd have the most fun with. Whether your definition of fun = power list or fluffy/theme or whatever is something you have to answer.

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:The current groupthink promoted by GW is that trying to win is a bad thing.

Basically, if you don't do literally everything possible to handicap yourself before an event, you're a bad person in the eyes of some.

I've found it's best to ignore the people who try to tell you that you're a bad person for playing a certain way with your little plastic men.

Nah, the line is that there's a limit on how far people can go to win before they start introducing stuff that makes games less fun. If everyone introduced those elements the game would be less fun for everyone. Now, exactly where that line rests depends on individual groups (with many perfectly happy with no line at all) but claiming people think trying to win is bad is just wrong. This has been debated a million times, do you really not get it?


To the OP, different tournaments have different expectations, and it isn't as simple as being more or less leniant, they'll often have very different views on certain types of army design. For instance, one tournament might be really concerned about unit spam, another might be more worried about seeing a range of units spread across the org chart. If you want to play in a tournament, talk to the organisers about what their standards are.

I don't mind comp scoring when it's just checking your force org. As in, did you get any elites, fast attack, heavy support? Then checking to see if you actually took a somewhat varied list (as in different units for elites and fast attack instead of just spamming 10x Lootas or 1x DeffKopta for all slots)...

When it gets into "how fluffy" is your army or how "does it fit into the racial theme" then it's a crock and generally will end up being a "did you gimp yourself enough to impress the judges".

That's the thing though . I don't take Nob Bikers or use Looters but if I use huge mobs of boyz (shootas and sluggas) with a Nob/PK it's considered bad .
When I play at my LGS , I randomly pick from a list of 6 possible army lists by rolling a d6 , the list that comes up my not be appropriate to deal with what my opponents running .