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HQ: Space Marine Captain (1#, 140 pts)
1 Space Marine Captain @ 140 pts (...in Terminator Armour)
1 Power Sword; Storm Bolter

Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (6#, 450 pts)
4 Terminator Assault Squad @ 450 pts Lightning Claws (pair) x2; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x2;
1 Sergeant Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1
1 Land Raider Redeemer Multi-Melta; 2x Flamestorm Cannons; Twin Linked Assault Cannon

Elite: Sternguard Veteran Squad
9 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 325 pts Combi-Meltagun x5
1 Sergeant
1 Rhino Extra Armor

Troops: Tactical Squad
9 Tactical Squad @ 225 pts Flamer; Lascannon
1 Sergeant Combi-Meltagun
1 Rhino

Troops: Tactical Squad
9 Tactical Squad @ 225 pts Flamer; Lascannon
1 Sergeant Combi-Meltagun
1 Rhino

Troops: Tactical Squad
9 Tactical Squad @ 225 pts Flamer; Lascannon
1 Sergeant Combi-Meltagun
1 Rhino

Heavy Support: Predator
1 Predator @ 130 pts Twin Linked Lascannon; Heavy Bolter (each side))

Heavy Support: Predator
1 Predator @ 130 pts Twin Linked Lascannon; Heavy Bolter (each side))


Total Roster Cost: 1850

I normally play Plague Marines, giving a crack at the Space Marine codex. I wanted a more balenced army to work with. Any advice would be apprecitated.

For 10pts less you can get a AutoCannon Lascannon pred, simply put, the Pred setup you have there is horrible.

For 35 more pts you can take Pedro instead of that Captain and make your Sternguard scoring.

Take Missile Launchers instead of Lascannons on one or two of your Tacticals and use those points to give the Lascannon armed squad(s) a Razorback.

Combat squad the Lascannon units and leave the Lascannon at the back while the flamer half goes up the field.

I don't see that your Sternguard squad needs to be scoring with 3 Tac Squads, and a Termie captain is more fun than a named character in my mind (Personal preference of not liking named character 'counts as' in my armies).

the idea is that with scoring sternguard he can cut down on the lackluster tacticals...


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also, with Pedro in the army the sternguard can actually acolpish something in CC as well. Not to mention having the assault termies dealing 4 TH attacks on the charge...


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Besides, since he asked if the list was competative so I doubt he'll mind playing with a count as char.

I like everything except the Predators either make then Dakka Preds (AC/H.Bolters) or Hybird (AC/LC)

Sorry not understanding why his pred set up is terrible......

Twin lascannon on turret is a must i'd have thought. That way he can bring two lascannons to bear on any armour from any direction....

The heavy bolters on the side are much better at sweeping ground soldiers than the turret.

Although if I had two Predators i'd equip one with all bolters and one all lascannon or autocannon. one to go for the infantry, one for anti armour duty.

Scrap the two preds alltogether, and get a whirlwind and a vindicator, and you have 30 free points!!

sorry, preds are just useless.

The twinlinked lascannon is quite possible the worst upgrade in the codex.
Its not two lascannons so only one shot that reroll misses and you pay 45pts for that ontop of loosing the Auto Cannon...no thanks
Lascannon+Bolter have a terrible synergy. No matter what you do you will be wasting one or the other.
With ACLC you can wreck transports and with ACHB you can destroy hordes.

Or you can forego the predators and have dreadnoughts instead. that way you get the armour of a tank with awesome assault ability!

He can only take one dread...
Take two vindis or take none. The ACHB preds beats the whilrwind 6 days out of 7.
The preds are not useless the ACLC pred will give you some nice long range transport poping capacity.

Hmm always wondered about autocannons vs lascannons.

I guess it depends on the army you're planning on going against.

An autocannon will make mincemeat out of normal transports, but anything like a Choas LR or Hammerhead will need a lascannon, or just MORE concentrated firepower

You shouldnt use lascannons to pop AV14 use it to reliably pop other transports. Needing 6s to pen is horrible

Yeah, it kinda makes a mockery of the lascannon being the most powerful weapon you can take on the battlefield if you can hardly use it