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Ok I got a nine droppod list. HQ is a Master of the Forge, basically the list is 5-6 dreadnoughts the rest are full of tactical squads or sternguard. I have some scouts squads to infiltrate and/or outflank.

Well the question is would you think in the 'Ard Boyz tournament would Tigurius be worth his points for once?

Pros
-You get more control over your reserves
-You get a character who can add something to shooting/mobility/assault/pretty much any phase
-You get a hood
-You get a hood
-You get a hood
-You--ohhh I already mentioned that

Seriously he is another great support character like the MotF so if you practice a bunch with him and make sure you know how to get the most out of him it could be really excellent.

Just make sure he's in a squad otherwise his lack of an invuln save will be his undoing. Of course, that is pretty obvious.

I'd say in the right list he could be an excellent force multiplier. He could definitely help with both deep striking elements or outflanking elements. As stated he is definitely fragile without an invulnerable save so I would probably keep him in places where he wont be charged.

Cheers,
~Volkan

Yeah, kind of embarrassing but I just assumed he had an iron halo like most of the other SM HQ choices for the longest time. Guess what happens when we assume? I was shown my folly in a friendly game (luckily not a tournament) and have played accordingly since (when i can bring myself to dust off my space marines).

Cons:
- He's insanely expensive.
- He can't take terminator armour or a storm shield so he has no inv save.

I've fielded him once and when he met Eldrad he became 200+ points of dead weight

But to answer the OP question: yes, he and his reroll will work in your list but it's still a lot of points

Shrubs wrote:But to answer the OP question: yes, he and his reroll will work in your list but it's still a lot of points

Well I usually field Librarians with no upgrades at all so the lack of inv save doesn't really bother me as much as the cost of Tigurius. The only things I look for a Librarian to do is cast Null Zone when needed and have the Psychic Hood. So for an extra 130 points...is the ability to reroll reserve rolls worth that...hmmm have to test my list out a couple more times.

You guys are underestimating what you get when you buy Tigurius (and anyway isn't he only 80 points more than an epistolary?).

Tig *can* get an invulnerable save by casting Force Dome (in fact, his whole unit gets it). Since he can do 3 powers per turn, he can do it every turn and still use 2 other powers like a regular epistolary.

He would work really great with a unit of sternguard, gate them around to firing positions (use your dread pods' beacons to avoid scatter) casting force dome to protect them, and casting null zone to make their shots more effective.

Also Tig is the only librarian in the game who can jack himself up with *both* the str6 power and the I10/fleet power, then charge into combat and still use his force weapon in the same turn. Death to tyrannofexes.

I'm planning to take him instead of my regular epistolary for 'ard boyz.

Flavius Infernus wrote:I'm planning to take him instead of my regular epistolary for 'ard boyz.

A Farseer with Runes of Warding will ruin your day (well, your match). Having to roll 3d6 for psychic tests means you will fail >50%. And rolling 12 or higher (lets say 40%?) will net you a wound that you can't save. With only 2 wounds, this is a major risk.

Shrubs wrote:

Flavius Infernus wrote:I'm planning to take him instead of my regular epistolary for 'ard boyz.

A Farseer with Runes of Warding will ruin your day (well, your match). Having to roll 3d6 for psychic tests means you will fail >50%. And rolling 12 or higher (lets say 40%?) will net you a wound that you can't save. With only 2 wounds, this is a major risk.

Just having a Psychic Hood is worth is weight in gold against Eldar

Shrubs wrote:

Flavius Infernus wrote:I'm planning to take him instead of my regular epistolary for 'ard boyz.

A Farseer with Runes of Warding will ruin your day (well, your match). Having to roll 3d6 for psychic tests means you will fail >50%. And rolling 12 or higher (lets say 40%?) will net you a wound that you can't save. With only 2 wounds, this is a major risk.

It's not a deal-breaker, though--just makes you be more careful with psychic powers. You still pass about half the time, have a wound to spare, and it gives you an incentive to kill that farseer sooner.

You don't need an inventive to kill the farseer sooner.

You can get a hood into the list for cheaper.

He's not good for a pod list...you have no choice in when the first half comes in.

Sanctjud wrote:
He's not good for a pod list...you have no choice in when the first half comes in.

I don't understand what you mean here, Sanctjud. You have the same choice about the first half that comes in with a pod list whether you have Tigurius or not.

Anyway to me the real fun of Tigurius is having access to all the psychic powers, 3 per turn.

If you cast three powers a turn, you're going to experience a perils...which will be an auto wound on him. That leaves one wound, which means every time you get ready to cast a power, you'll be double guessing yourself (Or getting unlucky and killing him). Not to mention the abundance of psy defense people are throwing into their lists; Rune Staff, Eldar, Nids, etc. A hood will be necessary, just take a utility libby with Null and Force Dome..if you get them off, cool. If you don't, you still have the hood. For the other 130 points you could almost squeeze another Dread in a Pod...which probably equals out to the one reroll that will be successful .

I'm saying he's useless for the Reserves manipulation when half of the pods MUST fall turn 1. Wastes that ability.

As for using 3 powers...the only 3 worthy powers are Null, Avenger, and Might IMO.
Null is a given, while Avenger and Might are easy to decide between...so at most you only need 2 powers available to you.

If you go with Null and Avenger they each work when the other is not useful, maximizing productivity.
Which leads me to think that only having 1 available to use and another as backup is perfectly fine for a libby and cost effective.

Triple Powers is so far only best done with Might, Quickening, Force Weapon.
Or Might, Null, Force Weapon.
As a tool box for a combat moster there is so much oppurtunity cost...

Just wanting an INV means only 1 power left before force weaponing...which could mean allowing the opponent to strike as well and having a harder time reaching combat or having a harder time wounding them.

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What other combos are there for the 3 powers that people have experience with besides the combatty one?

I use gate of infinity all the time with normal librarians. It's usually my second power besides null zone. In my last 21 league and tournament games games where I used a librarian (I keep records), gating a tac squad to objectives and/or away from key assaults has saved my bacon in about 4 or 5 games.

Shadow in the warp, opponent hoods and rune weapons have fixed ranges, so are possible to avoid. Not so much runes of warding or inquisitorial hoods, but I haven't seen those yet for some reason.

I can see machine spirit also being useful in particular cases to pretty much automatically stop an enemy tank from shooting. Especially if you get a free extra power.

But I wouldn't take Tigurius outside of 'ard Boyz or apocalypse because of the high cost.

I never periled myself to death in those 21 recorded games, but I've seen it happen to others.