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as taken from the idea I heard for a sniper mission, here is a sniper team:

(used as an elite choice for SM.)

they would really use this, as it would take an advantage of their scout marines ability to move in and mark positions.

Sniper team 100 pts

1 sniper
1 Spotter

Wargear (sniper)
Firestorm Sniper rifle
bolt pistol
Locator beacon

Wargear (spotter)
Bolter, bolt pistol, Frag and krak grenades targeting array

Stats:
Sniper:
WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 Ld10 Sv 4+
Spotter
WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 Ld10 Sv 4+

Firestorm sniper rifle:
Ra 36" S'x' AP2 Heavy 1, no cover saves
targetting array:
any one Ordnance or barrage weapon may fire using the spotters LOS, alternatively, one unit in the squad may fire at BS 5.

Special rules:
Stealth and they shall know no fear etc.

May exchange bolters for:
Sniper rifle 5 pts
May take a space marine scout bikes
60 pts
Playtesting:

used in numerous games (prx. 5.) as a forward infiltrator. originally, the spotter and sniper had BS5, but that turned to be too over powered.

the scout bikes were a nice addition, utilizing fast movement, and firepower.

N: if they took scout bikes, they lost stealth.

my other thought was for 5pts they took camo cloak.

thoughts?

Why not just use a five man sniper scout team?

Problems with your idea-
SM have super senses, I don't think they would delegate a brother to call out targets for another. Why not just give both rifles?

Camo cloak is worthless as they already have Stealth.

I was under the impression that Locator Beacons are rather large and bulky. Why is your sniper team lugging one around?

Bikes+snipers is just silly.

Your sniper is lacking grenades.

The rules for the TA (notice this is already a Tau item?) should probably read "Alternatively, one model in the bearer's unit may fire at BS5 in it's shooting phase. In order to use the TA, the bearer may not move, run, or shoot that turn." You also want to add more specifics into how the TA works (specifically how giving the reroll works). Personally, I'd just scrap the whole thing because it A)is a marker light and B) I don't like the idea of a spotter marine. Also, Ordnance weapons are not always barrage (that's why Ord Barrage is a type).

well the spotter is spotting for somthing else, say a whirlwind.

the camo cloak was a pre- to just giving it stealth.

Remove locator beacons are in place so they have a chance of giving their team a D-ploy zone.

Remove bikes.

Sniper was meant to have a grenade.

Wasn't trying to copy tau though, it's specifically for ord. barrage weapons.

I could always change their name.

furthermore, I said Ord. or bar. no ord. bar.

the TA is supposed to be the weapon, and the major reason for even taking the squad.

100 points is too much. I could get a squad of 5 Scouts with snipers and a Teleport Homer for just more than this.

And these, I assume, are seen as something like a pair of assassins, taking cover unseen before making the vital shot...so why give them bikes??

Valk

bike rule could be removed, as stated.

The bikes are a bad idea as already stated.

The wargear that allows Ord to use the spotters LOS rather than the Vehicle makes no sense. How can a Vindicator shot over a large hill just cause there is a guy on the other side of the hill spotting.

I would change it to the following

Wargear - Any unit firing Barrage or Ord Barrage may reduce the shatter by a distance equal to the BS of the Spotter if the spotter has LOS to the target unit. Wargear maynot be used if the spotter has Gone to Ground last turn, was pinned last turn, moved, ran, or shot this turn.

I would also make them a Fast slot and allow the purchase of 1-3 teams per FOC. Give each team member Both a normal Sniper Rifle and the wargear. Allow one member by team to purchase a Locator Becon for X points

not sure if 100/team is fair priced or not. All in all not that bad of an idea Capt. just needs a little polishing.

welll.... a vindicator should be firing at an angle... otherwise a shell that big would go straight into a hill.

in real war, spotters are used all the time to give artillery a target.

how about it's - the spotters and the tank squads balistic skill?

because, otherwise thats useless. because a vindicator has a BS of 4, a Spotter has a BS of 4.
meaning it's 4-4 to the scatter.

or maybe, it could be that it became scatter 1D6.

In "real war", spotters are infiltrated right up into the enemy's rear lines to guide in airstrikes and artillery strikes onto critical components for demoralization.

Calling in artillery isn't as specialized as you seem to think.

As for the idea itself...not for Marines. I could see it for a Mechanized Guard force. Allow Leman Russes to elevate and unleash barrages, things like that.

I disagree with the rifle ignoring cover. Compared to a Vindicare assassin, the most highly trained, best equipted sniper in the game. The Vindicare doesn't ignore cover, it uses a special mask which only reduces the save by 1.

Captain Solon wrote:welll.... a vindicator should be firing at an angle... otherwise a shell that big would go straight into a hill.

I think his point was more that having a guy on the other side of the hill doesn't give a direct-fire Ordnance weapon the ability to start lobbing shells over the hill.

It's a useful ability for Barrage weapons, but doesn't really make any sense for anything else.

bikes and snipers????????????????????

insaniak wrote:

Captain Solon wrote:welll.... a vindicator should be firing at an angle... otherwise a shell that big would go straight into a hill.

I think his point was more that having a guy on the other side of the hill doesn't give a direct-fire Ordnance weapon the ability to start lobbing shells over the hill.

It's a useful ability for Barrage weapons, but doesn't really make any sense for anything else.

That is what I said. I think he forgot that Barrage weapons that do not have LOS do not get the reduce the scatter, so allowing a reduction of scatter if the spotter has LOS is a big deal.

- Personal attack removed by moderator. Stick to the topic, not the poster -

I like the idea. It could also work for guard.