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So it was recently bought to my attention that I may have been using my Ymgarl stealers in an incorrect manner. According to the wording in the "Dormant" entry the Ymgarls are deployed WITHIN a piece of area terrain. So my question fellow dakkaites is how we define within. Does it mean that you have to place the models fully in the terrain piece, or can you merely have their base touching it?

If you are at least partially in a piece of terrain, you are considered IN the terrain. You don't have to be 100% inside of the terrain to be considered in it.

All individual models must be in the terrain per rules of Dormant, but you don't have to have each model 100% inside of the terrain.

Hoodwink is correct. Each model must be at least partially inside area terrain.

Of course, this means that most of the time you will be taking a Difficult Terrain test to assault, meaning you strike at I1, meaning you die more often than not.

Well that kinda depends

You could just use them to assault vehicles in the rear like basilisks or whirlwinds.

Or given their ~18" threat range, you can assault someone not in cover who is nearby. Definitely one of the units that came from left field no one thought would be any good.

You also don't HAVE to start dormant. Given their high cost and fragility, I would probably recommend it 99% of the time, but you don't HAVE to start dormant. You could start on the board or just in reserve without the special rules.

Thanks for the replies. Originally I was using it like that, then someone pointed out to me that it might be wrong so I thought I would just double check.

Thanks again.

Hoodwink - I thought you *had* to start in Dormant, you had no choice in the matter?

No it's a choice.

I do not agree that 'touching' is the same as 'within'.

It says all the models must be within the terrain piece. I don't agree that being half out is the same as being 'within the terrain' piece.
If models can't be placed "inside this terrain" they are dead, not "touching this terrain"


Of course, if you insist that 'partially out' is the same as "inside", then it will make Spearhead deployment much more interesting, since I can now have my vehicles 'partially out' with only the back treads touching the deployment zone.

Gwar! wrote:
Of course, this means that most of the time you will be taking a Difficult Terrain test to assault, meaning you strike at I1, meaning you die more often than not.

What are you talking about? They get to move, and Run, before worrying about Diff terrain tests for assaulting...

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How about area terrain? If you are touching it you are considered to be within it and gain a cover save?

That's the argument that I am now considering. I don't know which is right but my gaming group is agreeing with me. However I'm prepared to be corrected on the matter.

Thanks for your point of view.

Lukus83 wrote:How about area terrain? If you are touching it you are considered to be within it and gain a cover save?

Yes.

how do you pronounce ymgarl, anyway?

and do you need to show on the model that it's a ymgarl genestealer?

shrike wrote:how do you pronounce ymgarl, anyway?

and do you need to show on the model that it's a ymgarl genestealer?

/yim garl/

You don't need to show anything on them. Just make sure once, deployed, there's a little bit of something so your opponent and you won't get them mixed up with any other 'stealers, like a dot of paint on the tail.

It will be easy to convert though: I'm going to roll green stuff into little 'weenie'/string pieces and attach 6 to 8 on each face. That ought to be enough conversion. They should look like lictor heads.

The boxed set of stealers actually comes with 2 ymgarl heads. They are the ones with feeder tendrils.

coredump wrote:I do not agree that 'touching' is the same as 'within'.

It says all the models must be within the terrain piece. I don't agree that being half out is the same as being 'within the terrain' piece.
If models can't be placed "inside this terrain" they are dead, not "touching this terrain"

Given the normal usage of "within" for 40k (see pp. 3, 12, 66-67), I don't see why you would justify using a different interpretation of "within" solely for the Ymgarl. In every other case where "within" is used as part of a rule, it's "within arm's reach" (touching) rather than "contained thereby" (inside).