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Edit: List updated 5/4/2010

I've been throwing around a number of lists on Dakka in an attempt to find one that I like the look of, whilst at the same time remaining fun to play and competitive. I reasoned my first attempt (Deathwing) would simply be too inflexible and fragile to warrant the cash so, after reading through the fluff for the Salamanders (as well as the awesome-ness that is Vulkan) I thought I'd try my hand at writing a list for them instead.

Without further ado:

HQ

Vulkan He'stan
190

Librarian
100

TROOPS

Tactical Squad
+ Sergeant w/ combi-flamer
+ Missile Launcher
+ Flamer
+ Razorback w/ TL assault cannon
255

Tactical Squad
+ Sergeant w/ comb-flamer
+ Missile Launcher
+ Flamer
+ Razorback w/ TL assault cannon
255


ELITES

Terminator Assault Squad
+ 5 TH/SS
200

FAST ATTACK

Land Speeder
+ Multi-melta
+ Heavy flamer
70

Land Speeder
+ Multi-melta
+ Heavy flamer
70

Land Speeder
+ Multi-melta
+ Heavy flamer
70

HEAVY SUPPORT

Land Raider Redeemer
+ Multi-melta
+ Extra armour
265

TOTAL = 1475

One thing I would like to ask: would it be worthwhile combat squad-ing the Tacticals or keep them as one big unit of 10? I reason that they would drive forward until within melta range, pop the target, and then go burning the occupants in the next turn.

I also need help picking the powers for the Liibrarian. Which ones do you think would suit him best?

Regards,

L. Wrex

You can only add the heavy weaponry to Tacticals every 10 soldiers. So I recommend trying to field 30 troop choice. Get Null zone on your librarian to help keep your larger army alive.

I think something like this would mirror your army just slightly larger.

Vulkan + 10 tacticals + Librarian (Give him Null Zone and The Avenger) All in redeemer. Everything around your lib will reroll they're invuln saves. Which will be a lot with your flamestorm cannon, and flame template psyker power.

10 tacticals in a rhino MM+Flamer

10 Tacticals WITH a rhino setup in two combat groups.
A: 5 tacticals + Rhino + flamer
B: 5 tacticals +MM on foot (hold objectives and shoot heavy weapon).


Also I would drop the Land Speeder totally, and try to get a bike squad. Field 2 sm bikers, 1 sergeant, and add an attack bike w MM. Upgrade both other bikers to meltaguns. somewhere around 150




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Or just field three attack bikers with Multi-melta's for 150. Thats a fearsome squad totaling 6 wounds.

The Tacticals are 10man squads. That's what the +5 was referring to (a standard Tactical is 4 marines and a sergeant).

I don't like the idea of putting a Tactical in a LR as a) they aren't that good in assault and b) there are no fire-points for them to use.

L. Wrex

GAAAAH!?
Tacticals in a LR!? DO NOT WANT!

Take the LR as a dedicated transport for the Assault terminators. Put Vulkan with them.

Also don't drop the Land Speeders, if you're not taking the Godhammer LR, then you need the Land Speeders to stand in for your long-ranged anti-transport.

Won't multi-meltas do the same? There's nothing wrong with tons of tacticals in a safe secure land raider Terminators would probably be more scarey though, but that's a lot of points rolling around, and you could just strap an beacon on the squad in there and deep strike them next to it. They're the defense version of termies anyways so they could handle one round of shooting before they assault.


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Two land speeders with MM, or three attack bikes with two wounds and MM?


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I just always thought Land Speeders got shot up way to fast considering that multiple attack, strength 6 weapons can usually down them with a little focused fire.

Koski wrote:Won't multi-meltas do the same? There's nothing wrong with tons of tacticals in a safe secure land raider Terminators would probably be more scarey though, but that's a lot of points rolling around, and you could just strap an beacon on the squad in there and deep strike them next to it. They're the defense version of termies anyways so they could handle one round of shooting before they assault.

I'm just going to point out that a Tactical Squad is generally either the same price or more expensive than a basic Terminator Squad. The Land Raiders best assets are the Assault Ramp and the fact that it provides mobile cover for the rest of the army; both of these assets are negated by putting a tactical squad inside it and using it to sit on the home objective. Just use a Rhino for your tactical squad, at least the Rhinos has firing points.

Koski wrote:
Two land speeders with MM, or three attack bikes with two wounds and MM?
I just always thought Land Speeders got shot up way to fast considering that multiple attack, strength 6 weapons can usually down them with a little focused fire.

Personally I like the Land Speeders, as with the MM/HF they are a dual threat that has to be dealt with by your opponent. Turbo-boosting is too unreliable for me, you have to jump through too many hoops to actually get the 3+ save.

You are paying an awful lot for twinlinking 3 useful MMs and 4 HFs. Tacticals with MMs seldom get to use them that much. I would really consider droping Vulcan.
2 Tacticals is fine at 1500pts aswell, get some mroe useful stuff into your list. Maybe get some more MM/HF speeders?

I'd drop the Librarian and add a Dread with multimelta and heavy flamer.

a walking MM dread will acomplish absolutly nothing. The Libbe will be needed for Nullzoning anything nasty the TH/SS go up against.

I've got 6 MM and 7 flamers. Plus the whole point of this army is to have a themed Salamanders list, so dropping Vulkan would completely nullify the reason for writing a list like this.

I'm not putting Tacticals in a LR, much less a LR Redeemer. The Terminators, Librarian and Vulkan will go in there.

I opted to go for more Tacticals over anything else so I could have more scoring units on the table, I may consider dropping a squad if you could suggest a useful alternative? I don't think more Land Speeders would be an effective substitute.

L. Wrex

Vulkan does not appear in all the batlles the Salamanders fight you know . I said useful MMs, MMs on tacticals are not overly useful. They are decent at creating a threat zone but thats about it imo.

If you decide to stick with Vulkan then I dont see how adding 3 MM/HF speeders is an effective subistitue? In order for your expensive LR to acomplish anything you really need to put some pressure on your opponent.

You seriously lack long range fire power and as it stands right now any mech eldar would have to kill your two speeders and then they will have you running in circles

I suppose I should actually critique the list.

Personally I'd switch the Redeemer to a regular Land Raider, just for the Lascannons, but you'll figure out if you need the long range firepower soon enough. Either way, take Extra Armour so it can keep moving.

The Land Speeders are great, take another.

Three Tactical Squads at this points level aren't necessary. They don't really contribute a whole lot to winning, and Combat Squadding means that objective matches shouldn't be a problem. Drop the third squad, get take EA on the Raider, and take something else, like a Dreadnought inside a Drop Pod, or a couple of Predators with Lascannon sponsons.

tedurur wrote:You seriously lack long range fire power and as it stands right now any mech eldar would have to kill your two speeders and then they will have you running in circles

Do not fear the Space Elves, OH NOES blade storm...

Two tactical squads are fine in a 1500 point game. I would take Razorbacks with either Assault Cannons, Las-Plas, or even TL Lascannons. I would put the Sgt. (maybe even with a combi weapon) and specialist with 3 other marines in the Razorback. I would swap out the Multi-melta to a Missile Launcher or Lascannon and set them up on your back line. I would squeeze as many MM/HF speeders you can.

Funny how you ridiucle the advice and then go on and give pretty much the same advice yourself...Anyway, the suggestion is pretty sound, however if you intend to use the RBs in a forwar position its better to go with TLAC on the RBs since its superior to the TLLC at everything once its within 24".

Droping a tac squad would give you enough pts to pimp out your RBs and on top of that take a ACLC pred. Then you could use the remaining 10pts to upgrade the LRR to a LRC

I'm not ridiculing any advice, merely offering alternative suggestions in order to fuel a discussion. Everyone has their own personal input to offer, and if I followed what everyone said all the time I'd end up with a total mess of a list. I appreciate comments and critique, but don't expect me to follow everyone's word to the letter. (If this wasn't aimed at me, please ignore)

I think I may drop the third Tactical and get Razorbacks for the remaining Tacticals. I'm also swapping the heavy weapons from a multi-melta to a missile launcher for the stationary, long range firepower. Sergeants have been given combi-flamers to make the most of Vulkan's rule and give direction to the squads.

Extra armour added to the Redeemer.

Added another Land Speeder.

That leaves me with 20pts to spare. Any further suggestions on how to spend this?

Regards,

L. Wrex

It wasnt directed at you

I like this list.
I would consider upgrading the LRR to the LRC, keep in mind that Vulcan doesnt twin link the flame storm cannons (not that it is really needed but just fyi )

If you cant find anything better then maybe get 2 lascannons instead of two MLs for your tacticals?

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I'm not ridiculing any advice, merely offering alternative suggestions in order to fuel a discussion. Everyone has their own personal input to offer, and if I followed what everyone said all the time I'd end up with a total mess of a list. I appreciate comments and critique, but don't expect me to follow everyone's word to the letter. (If this wasn't aimed at me, please ignore)

I think I may drop the third Tactical and get Razorbacks for the remaining Tacticals. I'm also swapping the heavy weapons from a multi-melta to a missile launcher for the stationary, long range firepower. Sergeants have been given combi-flamers to make the most of Vulkan's rule and give direction to the squads.

Extra armour added to the Redeemer.

Added another Land Speeder.

That leaves me with 20pts to spare. Any further suggestions on how to spend this?

Regards,



L. Wrex

YOu could jump pack the Libby. considering he wont fit in the redeemer with Vulkan and his bad ass squad of termys.

I am making a Salamanders list as well. and the one constant I keep coming back to is the Flamer and Multimelts Landspeeders. I like them and think they can really be usefull.

Let us know how yoru list plays out. i'll be watching.

Neither Vulkan nor the Libby have termie armour so they fit just fine

tedurur wrote:Neither Vulkan nor the Libby have termie armour so they fit just fine

your right.


I feel slowed.
I didn't even consider that.