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This is my 2500 point 'Ard Boyz army list musing thread. My 1750 list can be found here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/254025.page

Basically, instead of adding a logical 3rd Dread and Defiler for 2500 points, I want to try something a little more wacky. I'd like to add 2 Land Raiders, one of them holding Abbaddon, and the other with some terminators (just because they can take it as a dedicated transport, and my other slots are filled). Are two land raiders enough at 2500?

So something like this:

Abbaddon (275)
Rides in the Heavy Support Land Raider

Demon Prince (155)
Mark of Slaanesh, Wings
Lash of Submission

Greater Demon (100)

Dreadnought (120)
2x Dread CCW’s
Heavy Flamer and Extra Armor

Dreadnought (120)
2x Dread CCW’s
Heavy Flamer and Extra Armor

5 Chaos Terminators (420)*
1x Aspiring Champion, Various other gear, not really sure yet
Dedicated Land Raider

Berzerker Squad (243)
7 Berzerkers
1 Skull Champion with Powerfist
Mounted in Rhino

Berzerker Squad (243)
7 Berzerkers
1 Skull Champion with Powerfist
Mounted in Rhino

Berzerker Squad (208)
7 Berzerkers
1 Skull Champion with Power Fist
Rides with Abbaddon in the Land Raider

Defiler (150)
Battlecannon, Twin Linked Autocannon
Heavy Flamer

Defiler (150)
Battlecannon, Twin Linked Autocannon
Heavy Flamer

Land Raider (220)
This is Abbadon's ride

The above comes to 2404, leaving me about 100 points to spend on something. What do you think Dakka? Are two land raiders enough for 'Ard Boyz with my dreads and defilers supporting? Also, using Abby makes me lose a lash and a monstrous creature, but Abby is a beast. This list looks like alot of fun if nothing else.

I can't believe you'd field that many chaos dreadnoughts. It's very very scary to me, I hate watching them go bezerk and shoot all their weapons twice into my fellow chaos worshipers.

I'd drop the Greater Daemon as well. You'd have to sacrifice one of your amazing Skull Champions with a power fist just to summon him. You're looking at like 145 points to get that guy on the board.


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With the extra points you could just field some CSM x 10 with a mark of your pref, maybe some okay support weapons. You can never go wrong with adding more bodies to draw fire, and chew up larger forces, especially in 2500.


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Daemon Princes are extremely tried and true. and are always fearsome in pairs. But, I really love your Abaddon packed with Zerkers in a LR. I'd say go with it, might as well field your favorite HQ considering it's a 2500 point game.

I just thought of something also. You could drop your crazy dreadnoughts and the greater daemon, with your extra 100 to spend that would leave you just about enough to load another terminator squad in a land raider. If it's done well for you in the past it's something to consider. I still think a lot more troops would be safer in such a high point game.

"closest visible unit"

A chaos dread would not hurt friendly unit which sit at back.

For ard boys 21 tropps isn't nearly enough.

When I run my zerks I try to run at least 4 squads in rhinos, no champ. they rip through most troops and destroy any vehicle with 10 armor on the back.

Abbadon = fun!

@ Koski:

The theme of the list is as many big things as you can cram in, hence "Khorne-zilla". The Greater demon can also pop out of the terminator champion. I have several points to play with still, but another unit of troops would be ideal I think.

Also, the dreads have bolters and flamers, and will usually work together, so will have no problems if they fire frenzy and shoot each other.

@ Snickerdoodle:

For what it's worth, it's 24 berzerkers, not 21. 7 Berzerkers + 1 Champion per squad, for a fluffy magic number of khorne.

I have to agree that Chaos Dreadnoughts are more trouble than they're worth. I could be convinced on keeping the Greater Daemon, but the Dreads are internal trouble you don't need. If they are out of your control for even one turn, it could determine the game.

I think the points would be better spend on a Vindicator, a Predator, 2 more Terminators (for the magic #7), etc.

It depends on how you play the Crazed! rule. If you play it according to the 4th edition rules where Dreadnoughts had a 360 line of sight, then they're dangerous but tricky. You either need to stick them beside a Land Raider and close with the enemy as quickly as possible, or give them two Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons and close with the enemy as quickly as possible. However, if you play by the 5th edition rules that give Dreadnoughts a 45 degree line of sight to the front, suddenly you just have to be careful about standing your units in front of it.

Nurglitch wrote:It depends on how you play the Crazed! rule. If you play it according to the 4th edition rules where Dreadnoughts had a 360 line of sight, then they're dangerous but tricky. You either need to stick them beside a Land Raider and close with the enemy as quickly as possible, or give them two Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons and close with the enemy as quickly as possible. However, if you play by the 5th edition rules that give Dreadnoughts a 45 degree line of sight to the front, suddenly you just have to be careful about standing your units in front of it.

Thanks for this Nurglitch. As you can see, my Dreads do have 2x CCW's, and their job is to close with the enemy as quickly as possible, (and is helped out by the inclusion of lash) so I'd like to turn the discussion away from dreads, as they are going in the army no matter what, it's kinda what the theme is.

What I'm trying to figure out, however, are two land raiders enough for 2500 points, is abbaddon too much of a points sink, and should I instead just do 3x Dreads and 3x Defilers.

I guess my only input would be as follows:

The Greater Demon is ridiculous. While I wince sacrificing a unit as powerful as a Skull Champ, that demon always dishes out 2-3x his points in damage. I wish he could move his fat ass a bit faster, but overall I really love the guy.

If you're dithering on Terminator equipment, I'd go Lightning Claws all the way.

1-UP wrote:I guess my only input would be as follows:

The Greater Demon is ridiculous. While I wince sacrificing a unit as powerful as a Skull Champ, that demon always dishes out 2-3x his points in damage. I wish he could move his fat ass a bit faster, but overall I really love the guy.

If you're dithering on Terminator equipment, I'd go Lightning Claws all the way.

In this list, the terminator champion is a cheaper sacrifice than a skull champion, and will be farther upfield hopefully since they will be riding in a land raider. Another option is to try to find some points for chosen or raptors to deliver some extra melta and the GD.