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Hi guys, new to posting, but been reading on the site for about a year now. I'll be playing in a tourney at my FLGS and I've only just started on Space Marines recently. The list is:

HQ-Pedro Kantor
HQ-Librarian w/ Gate of Infinity, Null Zone
Troop-5 Scouts w/ Sniper Rifles
Troop-5 Scouts w/ Sniper Rifles
Troop-5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers in a Chimera w/ Multilaser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers
Elite-Dreadnought w/ Heavy Flamer in a Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon
Elite-8 Sternguard Veterans w/ 5 Combi-Meltas, Sergeant w/ Melta bombs in a Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon
Elite-8 Sternguard Veterans w/ 5 Combi-Meltas, Sergeant w/ Melta bombs in a Rhino
Fast Attack-Land Speeder w/ Multimelta and Heavy Flamer
Fast Attack-Land Speeder w/ Multimelta and Heavy Flamer
Heavy Support-Thunderfire Cannon

Pedro is there to make the Sternguard scoring. The Librarian will be with the Sternguard in the Rhino to get midfield and Gate to a Beacon if need be. The Scouts can site on my home points and cover the Thunderfire Cannon. The Stormtroopers do the same job but add in a little flavor and pretty good transport. The Dreadnought comes in turn 1 to distract and hopefully pop a vehicle and survive. The Land Speeders jet midfield and try to take out vehicles and hoards. The Thunderfire Cannon fires on any infantry or light vehicles it can see.
Well there it is, i would appreciate any feedback you guys could give, i dont have access to that many models, but some funds to make some purchases. The models i have that arent in my army are 15 Tactical Marines, 5 Devastators, 1 Predator, 1 more Drop Pod, Lysander, Librarian in Terminator Armor w/ Storm Shield, another Dreadnought, 10 Assault Marines, 5 Grey Knight Terminators, 1 Inquisitor,and 5 more Stormtroopers.

Why are you taking Storm troopers without special weapons? Find 20 pts for som MGs. Why are you putting a Beacon on a pod that comes in on a +4 on turn two? I would drop one scout squad, snipers are simply not good.

The stormtroopers will most likely just sit on a point, but i could try to fit some meltas in there, the beacon is for late game Gate of infinity if i need to contest or get one more shot off, and if i take out the scouts i have to field a tactical squad, which is more the double the points.

Oh, forgot that the storm troopers dont count towards the two troops...Scouts with a LLS is a pretty nice alpha strike unit but not really sure where the pts would come from...

Here's the problems with your list. If you're going to objective camp with the scouts then give them camocloaks!!! Don't expect them to actually kill anything though.

I'd dump the storm troopers not really sure what they are going to do for you that the Sternguard wouldn't do better.

Use the points to bump at least Pedro's unit up to 10 so you can combat squad when they arrive. Heavy flamers work well in that way so you can toast a LR with the meltas and BBQ the contents.

As Tedurur said scouts in a LSS (preferably with a HF due to scout BS) can be a pretty good alphastrike. Coupled with Pedro they are awesome and will actually hit harder than Striking scorpions! 4 attacks each, -2 enemy leadership and the 4 S8 powerfist attacks will crump anything not assault orientated, and with the heavy flamer softening up the target they can even take on hordes (they are slight favourites to wipe out 20 shoota boyz with Nob with PC on the charge and should easily handle 20 Hormagaunts).

However this is where you army falls apart you have just 2 DPs and nothing else that will be in your opponents face turn 1. So you're basically suiciding your dread that will miss with it's shot 1 in 3 times (then take into account chance to pen and damage results it'll actually do meaningful damage about 1 time in 4 at best). You are wasting one of Pedro's best abilities (+1A within 12") and holding him back to likewise arrive unsupported.

You also lack ranged anti-transport fire and a fast moving army like eldar would have a field day ignoring your potent units whilst dismantling your troops for the easy win.

I feel like your list is a little all over the place. I like the stern guard and I like Pedro. i don't care for the troopers. I think a 5 man tac squad would be better points spent instead of those guys. With a razor back lascanon for some much needed anti tank in your army.

well lets try this

HQ-Pedro Kantor
HQ-Librarian w/ Gate of Infinity, Null Zone
Troop-5 Scouts w/ Sniper Rifles, Camo Cloaks
Troop-10 Tactical Marines w/ Flamer, Lascannon in a Rhino
Elite-Dreadnought w/ Heavy Flamer in a Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon
Elite-8 Sternguard Veterans w/ 5 Combi-Meltas in a Drop Pod
Elite-8 Sternguard Veterans w/ 5 Combi-Meltas in a Drop Pod
Fast Attack-Land Speeder w/ Multimelta and Heavy Flamer
Fast Attack-Land Speeder w/ Multimelta and Heavy Flamer
Heavy Support-Thunderfire Cannon

I Agree. Even though its more points I think fitting in tactical squads is amazingly essential to any army of space marines.

Just looking at your list there Zellot, the new one. I can't see anything that's bad at all. Just maybe the scouts, but they're very cheap and usually make enough use of themselves I guess for the price.

I dont know too much about land speeders personally. But They seem pretty effective on paper. so Good luck I suppose!

Thanks for the tips guys.

I dunno about your SM codex, but mine doesn't have any mention of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers in it. How does that work? Why not take a big squad of ork boyz and some Leman Russ and some Kroot while you're at it?

Guitardian wrote:I dunno about your SM codex, but mine doesn't have any mention of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers in it. How does that work? Why not take a big squad of ork boyz and some Leman Russ and some Kroot while you're at it?

Before you start acting like an ass maybe you should actually learn the rules?

As for the list I would consider swaping the rhino and drop pod between one tactical squad and one sternguard squad.

Do you really need 2 HQ choices at 1500p?
Do you really need the Librarian?

tedurur wrote:

Guitardian wrote:I dunno about your SM codex, but mine doesn't have any mention of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers in it. How does that work? Why not take a big squad of ork boyz and some Leman Russ and some Kroot while you're at it?

Before you start acting like an ass maybe you should actually learn the rules?

As for the list I would consider swaping the rhino and drop pod between one tactical squad and one sternguard squad.

Before you keep being TFG, maybe you could answer the simple question instead of being insulting and condescending like the jerk that you may possibly be. How do Inquisitorial stormtroopers get in a SM army? It was a simple question man!

You don't have to be so rude about it. WTF. SORRY if I don't know I was just curious, and nowhere in my SM codex do I find Inquisitorial stormies, so I wondered what wierd rules discrepancy allowed that? YOU SAY "learn the rules" and "facepalm" and other condescending intercrap insults when you don't even know me.

My friends can insult me, okay, and are the only ones that get away with it, and that's not in cyberland where you can just insult people anonymously? Random nobodies in cyberland and their opinion of how dumb I am or whatever it is that made you feel to post that can kiss my skinny butt. You know what? FACEPALM, you are a jerk. I'm done. I just wanted to know how that unit was added to that army, okay? IS THAT SUCH A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER WITHOUT BEING A TOTAL DONKEY CAVE?


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oh yeah, and you spent more time looking up some dumb picture to insult me with, instead of just answering the simple question. You sir can eat an apple and perhaps that rash will clear up and girls will like you again if you buy them stuff, and your mother will finally pay you to move out of her basement, etc... need I continue?


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SOOOOOoooo back on topic: can anyone who isn't a jerk answer my question? How do stormies get in a SM army?

I'm curious too about this question.
I haven't found anything (on the AOBR little rule-book) about the possibility to call allies in normal-40k games.
And I know that only SoB and DH can normally call IG units. But I have not verified on the IG codex if there is this possibility.

I see friends calling Kroots as Explorator, ie in 1 Orcs army, for some occasional game but I don't know exactly how does this rule work.

Both the Demonhunters and Witchhunter codex can be used as allies to the Space Marines and Imperial guard. The rules for each are in their codexs.... codexes... codexi... which ever way you say it.

Not in the SM's codex.. or at least I haven't found anything.
Good to know it anyway.

Thank you.

The rules are in the WH/DH condexes which tell you how to ally them.

Back in 3rd ed lots of codexes referenced other codexes and could be used in conjunction. You simply couldn't use eth BA or SW codexes without a copy of codex SM (which did mean they kept getting half updates by virtue of the SM codex being so regularly updated).

It looks as though WH will be getting a new dex soon and this may well be taken out of their new dex as each Codex is self contained these days. But they may not do that.

Guitardian wrote:
Before you keep being TFG, maybe you could answer the simple question instead of being insulting and condescending like the jerk that you may possibly be. How do Inquisitorial stormtroopers get in a SM army? It was a simple question man!

If you had asked the question in a nice manner you would have recived a nice answer like the one FlingItNow gave you. But since you asked your question in such a condesending manner you got a condesending reply. Simple as that.

tedurur wrote:

Guitardian wrote:
Before you keep being TFG, maybe you could answer the simple question instead of being insulting and condescending like the jerk that you may possibly be. How do Inquisitorial stormtroopers get in a SM army? It was a simple question man!

If you had asked the question in a nice manner you would have recived a nice answer like the one FlingItNow gave you. But since you asked your question in such a condesending manner you got a condesending reply. Simple as that.

turdurdur is TFG

It's still all over the place. If you're going for a Drop Pod army you may as well go all the way. I would drop the Thunderfire Cannon, the Land Speeders and the Scout Squad and take another Tactical Squad inside a Drop Pod and a Drop Pod for your first Tactical Squad. I would also bump the Sternguard up to 10 men so you have the option of Combat Squadding them when them hit the ground.

Strangely enough, in this list I would actually recommend taking Force Dome instead of Gate of Infinity. GOI isn't so useful in this list considering you've already got plenty of Drop Pod squads that can be used to take and contest objectives. Force Dome would help one of your Sternguard squads survive a little longer.

Edit: Fair enough, no harm done I suppose.

I don't want to derail this topic over a stupid spat over misunderstood sarcasm. We have both made our appologies to each other in PM and can it just drop please. But just on a side note, I'll probably be an immature petulant child until the day I die so I'll take that as a complement and leave it at that dude I play with toys!
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sooo... back to topic:

I kind of agree with unbeliever that it seems like it is going too many directions at once, and in my experience playing against them, drop pods work sick when (almost) everyone in the army is using them. It lets you concentrate an area and wipe things with mass drop-n-pop fire before they can shoot back, then footslog over to the other board side as a concentrated force. I personally hate the things I think they are ugly unwieldy models so I'll stick with my rhinos and razors which at least look like a military vehicle instead of some kind of futuristic obelisk thing. Meh that's just a personal opinion.

Also, DEFINITELY the sternguard should be going full strength, because of splitting the squad and the scoring thing that pedro gives them. It would be foolish not to take advantage of the crimson fists (or 'counts as pedro') character's defining ability. Not only do they kick some butt even with their basic bolters and cool ammo, but they score... yippie! Sternguard are the whole point of Pedro (besides he makes a good taco too, I know the guy he runs the shop down the street...). Not exploiting it to its fullest would be as illogical (and unfluffy) as the SW taking Logan and not maxxing out his Wolfguard, or Blood angels without jump packs, and so on.