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Phoenix Lord of Warp spiders 250p

wargear:

Wraith spinner
can be fired at one of the 3 modes
low tension range 12" s6 ap5 assaut 1,large blast
medium tension range 18" s7 ap 3 assaut 3
heavy tension# range 30" s8 ap2 heavy 1

#add -3 to vehingle damage table
Improved warp jump generator
can move 18" in assaut phase instead of assaut
also gives 4 inv save

Ghost blades
2 power weaponds witch give 2+str
they also give 1a for each kill that wraith spider does in melee for the next turn.
if he gain more than +4a he suffers d3 s7 a3 hits with no inv allowed

plasma granades

special rules:
lord of spiders
warp spiders can be taken as troops

spider nest:
spiders dont scatter when deep sriking and always count as rolling 5 and 6 in warp generator jump
also all spiders gain prefered enemy:squats

has withdraw exarch skill

army that has Wraith Spider MUST have elite choice made of warp spider exarchs(spider squad witch all upped to exach) and Wraith spider can only join them
they have improved warp jump generators

Devastator wrote:Phoenix Lord of Warp spiders 230
He is the same points cost as Asurmen, so I'll compair them.

wargear:

Wraith spinner
can be fired at one of the 3 modes
low tension range 12" s6 ap5 assaut 1,large blast
medium tension range 18" s7 ap 3 assaut 3
heavy tension range 36" s10 ap1 heavy 1

Asurman has a S4 AP5 A4 gun. You think this is balanced?

Improved warp jump generator
can move 18" in assaut phase instead of assaut

Kind of usless he is on his own.

Improved power blades
2 power weaponds witch give 2+ strength

Fine

plasma granades

special rules:
lord of spiders
warp spider can be taken as troops

No other PL has this, so why does he?

spider nest:
spiders dont scatter when deep sriking and always count as rolling 5 and 6 in warp generator jump

Again, no PL benafits any unit other than the one they are joined to.

has withdraw exarch skill

Retinue: Wraith Spider can have retinue made of warp spider exarchs(spider squad witch all upped to exach) witch takes no hq slot

Again, why is he different (read=so much better than) to the other PLs

I know the PL are pretty poor, but theres no need to make him so much better unless your going to improve all the others. My suggestion would be:

230p
Wraith Spinner
Can be fired in 3 modes:
........Rg...S...AP...Notes
Low...18...6...--.....Assault 1, Large Blast
Med..30....5...5..... Assault 4
Heav..12...3...2.....Assault 3

Wraith Blades
2 power weapons that grant +2S

Plasma Grenades

Armour of a thosand Heros
2+/5++ save

Rules:
Disciples, Suprice Assault, Withdraw (see C:Eldar)
Lord of the Spiders - He and any WS unit he is attached to can always move up to 12" for their assault move, and never suffere causilties from this move.

you do realize that with that equipment he is the most powerful pheonix lord right? He blows every other one out of the water incredibly overpowered even with out an invul. As is he now, he is better than in all offensive ways then the other pheonix lords. (That being said when eldar get an updated I imagine significantly improved P lords )

He has 6 S6 attacks on the charge with an I of 7 or 8
Not to mention that with a retinue he can't be targeted by anyone giving him ablative wounds
He also has a 48" range S 10 AP 1 gun with a BS of 7. That means he hits on a 2+ and if he fails to hit he then gets a chance to hit again on a 5+

Personally I wouldn't mind him being really good at either CC or Shooting but not both its a little much.
Also ditch the retinue. Allowing unit of warp spiders to act as an "honor guard" is fine but giving it the retinue rule is a little to much. Very few things in 5th ed all retinue.

I do like the idea of the variable warp spinner. But maybe something more along the lines of
Assault 2 S6 AP - Rending Template (dispersed) (this is more like the gun functioned in 2nd ed)
Assault 1 S10 AP1 12" (Focused)

I'd also give him surprise attack as well (however it would not give him and attached spiders herioic intervention)
And the power powerblades shouldnt' give +2 S. The Banshee executioner already does that. Just make them normal power blades +1 A and power weapons. If you do that reduce his cost a bit. My 2 cents good luck!

I agree he is a bit OP right now. I mean if all the PLs had battlefate (which they should) then that fixes karandras, jain zar, maugan ra, and nearly fuegan right there. Slight tweaking could make asurmen usuable. The hawks one needs major help.
So for this guy, give him battlefate, standard powerblades, and your variable deathspinner. That would make him pretty comparable to the others.

so im putted some price on this guy and made some chages
and that inv gomes from this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otNuYmF3FLw

So you took an already broken char, added 20 points and made him far better? What?

You made HT useless except to ID models.
Added a 4++ (which is needed, but worth more than 20p)
Made him just retardedly good in CC (run him into a mob of ork boyz/hormagaunts/'zerkers, and 2/3 of them will auto-kill themselves. He gets charged by any hero/MC with 4 or more attacks? That model with kill itself. Thats just stupid with a capital STUPID)
Didn't fix ANY of them large number of problems laid out.

blades no longer instant kill

Hey, now their STILL stupidly good, and utterly unworkable at the same time! Yay!

/sarcasm

Seroiusly, they were verging on too good when it was just 2PW w/+2S.
Did you even read the critisms?

here you go .have you even said anything other than complaining abaut something
he is bloody pl they shold have good stats
and YOU were first to say 2+blades

Devastator wrote:here you go ,miss .have you even said anything other than complaining abaut something
he is bloody fl they shold have good stats
and YOU were first to say 2+blades

1) PHOENIX

2) I said:

2 power weaponds witch give 2+ strength

Fine

I complain about the secondery secion you keep adding in.

3) I find it hard to take people seriously when they degenerate into petty name calling the instant someone calls them out over something

1+s and rendering really fearsome oo the whole thing is broken!!!111 /sarc
its not really op:
it takes hq And elite slot
cost 250+squad
haves rendering frost blade
the new dexs have much more op stuff in them

I refer, dear fellow, to the line below.

they also give 1a for each kill within 12"

^That is both broken and unworkable.

+2S or +1S&Rending is find either way.

ok now they have limited both range and attacks from the blades

I'd like to see the justification on why he costs less than mephiston and yet does 10x more...

Kurgash wrote:I'd like to see the justification on why he costs less than mephiston and yet does 10x more...

Devastator wrote:
army that has Wraith Spider MUST have elite choice made of warp spider exarchs(spider squad witch all upped to exach)

he must have exarch retinue so he cost more than meph

small caviat. You say that other books have more OP characters, and I disagree. Because you are forgettign the additional special rules that yoru character has. All pheonix lords have Fleet, Fearless AND eternal warrior.

If you are going to cite Sanguiator and mephistion let me point out a few things. Mephistion has no EW nor an invulernable save. Neither character is an IC therefore they can't join units

edit: Retinue makes him MUCH better than meph or anyone else since he cna't be targeted in combat

i was talking about doom and vulkan
and this guy will cost you a leg and he has change to kill himself
and he dont have retinue

sorry my bad I didn't see that you changed the retinue from before

Devastator wrote:heavy tension# range 30" s10 ap1 heavy 1

Wow dude.. Is he carrying a stolen Railgun on his back? Even a single Fire Prism is S9 AP2. A HUGE TANK has lesser strength. -2 on a table (which is practically -1 because of AP1) doesn't fix that.

Macok wrote:
Wow dude.. Is he carrying a stolen Railgun on his back? Even a single Fire Prism is S9 AP2. A HUGE TANK has lesser strength. -2 on a table (which is practically -1 because of AP1) doesn't fix that.

of cource he wields akimbo railguns! and he has four punisher cannons on his back and can fart baneblades!!!11/sarc its nerfed now