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Ok I've got a Land Raider Crusader with a multi melta. POTMS lets me fire at two different targets. So I fire the multi melta first, at my first target which is a transport and blow it up. I then fire the remaining weapons at the troops inside; this is my second target.

Can I do this? As I'm just breaking down the weapons by firing one weapon at one target and then the other weapon(s) at another target.

Or do I have to say the multi melta is firing at the transport and the other weapons firing at something else - as I cannot say firing at the unit inside because they cannot be picked as a target.

The unit inside the transport is a different target so can be targeted. Even if I'm wrong. PotMS dosn't say you HAVE to target a different target so IF the unit was counted as with the transport you could still fire at it.

mercer wrote:Ok I've got a Land Raider Crusader with a multi melta. POTMS lets me fire at two different targets. So I fire the multi melta first, at my first target which is a transport and blow it up. I then fire the remaining weapons at the troops inside; this is my second target.

Can I do this? As I'm just breaking down the weapons by firing one weapon at one target and then the other weapon(s) at another target.

No, you cannot do this.

All Shooting is Simultaneous. You Declare that the MM is Shooting at Target A, and Declare that Everything else is Shooting at Target B.

Only THEN do you roll to hit, and at that point you cannot change the Targets of your shooting.


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wizard12 wrote:The unit inside the transport is a different target so can be targeted. Even if I'm wrong. PotMS dosn't say you HAVE to target a different target so IF the unit was counted as with the transport you could still fire at it.

What? You cannot target it because it is Inside the Transport. You declare your targets BEFORE rolling to hit with any of the weapons. Since you cannot target it, you cannot shoot at it.

ALL firing from the unit is simultaneous.

So, you declare the bolters are firing at the troops inside, you then check shooting requiresments - and you fail as you caqnnot draw LOS to the troops inside the vehicle, meaning your target is not valid.

In short: you could do this, except for the fact you cannot draw LOS to the unit inside the vehicle at the time you resolve all the shooting, so it fails.

wizard wrong, Gwar and Nosferatu right. Nuff said?

Gwar is correct the shooting happens simultaneously. You have to declare all the targets your lR is firing at before rolling any dice to hit at that point you can't target the unit inside the transport.

How a lot of poeple play is they'll target a unit with one weapon fire it and then decide what to target with another. This is however breaking the rules and gaining an unfair advantage (the number of times I've seen 2 Long Fang missile launchers fire at a vehicle and failed to destroy it, then for the next 2 to decide to target the same vehicle...) It is this play that makes what you are saying seem possible.

However as Gwar has pointed out this is not allowed by the rules.

If thi is the case it answers a question I had the other day. If two units are shooting at an enemy unit which is partially obscured by area terrain. The first unit shoots, kills x amount of the enemy and the models that are removed are the only ones visable then the second unit can still shoot at it's target?

Also presumably the rule that says that if over half a unit is in cover then the whole unit counts as in cover only applies at the begining of the turn so a player can not bring remove models not in cover until he has brought the percentgae above 50?

tp_1983 wrote:If thi is the case it answers a question I had the other day. If two units are shooting at an enemy unit which is partially obscured by area terrain. The first unit shoots, kills x amount of the enemy and the models that are removed are the only ones visable then the second unit can still shoot at it's target?

Also presumably the rule that says that if over half a unit is in cover then the whole unit counts as in cover only applies at the begining of the turn so a player can not bring remove models not in cover until he has brought the percentgae above 50?

No. All Shooting from a Single Unit is simultaneous. (Yes, my bad I made a boo boo). If the 2nd unit now cannot see any of the unit, it cannot shoot at it.

And no, it applies whenever the unit is shot at. If less than 50% are in cover when shot at, it doesn't get the cover save, period.

Sorry for being thick here, but does a transport and carried troops not count as two units?


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sorry, just reread first post.

tp_1093 - as Gwar! stated, you determine if a unit is "in cover" every time a unit wants to fire - and in the same way you determine if the unit has LOS to the target unit seperately for each unit.

So if one unit A fires at an enemy unit and the owning player removes models such that unit B cannot see any of the enemy unit, when unit B tries to fire it cannot shoot at the enemy unit - it does not have LOS.

Thanks! Looks like I got it wrong!