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OK here is the deal. I'm going to a tournament in a few weeks and I have some last clarifying questions about the book.

I'm looking for both RAW and how MOST tournaments will rule it. If they are the same please say this. If they are different please state which ruling is RAW and HYWPI!

So the questions:

1. Kill them all refers to a rule that does not exist. Target priority does not exist anymore. The ruling also reads "If a Black Templar [Lists various non-tank units] shoots in the shooting phase, it suffers a -1 modifier to its Leadership when testing to see if it can target any enemy unit other than the closest."

RAW SEEM (I may be wrong) to say "when you're testing, test at -1." But you never actually have to test. Does this mean I don't need to roll leadership at all? Some people at my shop seem to think I do and I have been. But do I really need to?



2. Drop pods come in at crusing speed, however my codex states "Drop pods may fire on the same turn as they land." I haven't really delt with drop pods and shooting with them yet, but codex trumps the rulebook so can they indeed fire? Is there a difference between firing the storm bolter and the deathwind? For instance, is one a yes and the other a no?



3. Holy Orbs of Antioch get confusing with 5th Ed. Under the Codex it says "roll to hit as normal." And yet when you read the BRB the first non-fluff sentence for blast weapons says, "When firing a blast weapon, models do not roll to hit." (finishing out with scattering blah blah blah).

So the question is, how in God's green Earth can you shoot it? I FEEL like it should use the scatter rules just like any other blast weapon, but the codex says roll to hit. Is it really as good as rolling based of BS and then putting it down how I want?


Dakka dakka, ATTACK!

I can't tell you how tournaments will rule, but here's my take on it:


Kill The All: As you say, it doesn't actually tell you to take a test. It simply imposes a modifier that applies when you test. So every time you make a Target Priority test, you should apply that modifier.

In other words, it does nothing under the current rules.


Drop Pods: Since the codex specifically says they can fire, they can fire. There is no distinction made between either weapon.

It's different to every other codex, but that's only because they haven't been updated yet. They'll no doubt be brought in line when they are updated, but for now the rules are as listed in the codex.


Holy Orb of Antioch: Going strictly by the codex, it's not specifically a Blast weapon. You roll to hit as normal for a shooting attack, and then place the Blast marker over a model in the target unit.

Whilst the Blast weapon rules have changed in the current edition, the fact that it specifically outlines the shooting process would allow you to simply use it as stated in the codex.

However, I doubt too many opponents would have a problem with you just using it with the current Blast rules. That one's definitely worth clarifying with a TO if you are entering a tournie with one.

1) the GW FAQ for Black Templars says that you still have to test to fire at anything but the closest unit, & do so at -1 Ld.

2) I am pretty sure the Drop Pods can still fire the turn they enter play, as that is a Codex rule which supercedes the BRB...I could be wrong here, though.

3) answered above, I agree with his logic...

sorry, I think I was only helpful on one of three questions, but at least your list is a bit shorter now?

radical bob wrote:1) the GW FAQ for Black Templars says that you still have to test to fire at anything but the closest unit, & do so at -1 Ld.
sorry, I think I was only helpful on one of three questions, but at least your list is a bit shorter now?

Kind of sucks I actually do need to test.... I almost had to ask if I fail what happens then. But it looks like it says to take the test to not shoot the closest enemy, if I fail I shoot at the closest one.

It's short enough Thanks.

I think I'll be using the 'roll anything but a 1' and place the template where I'd want. I'll still check with the TO but thanks for the update

radical bob wrote:1) the GW FAQ for Black Templars says that you still have to test to fire at anything but the closest unit, & do so at -1 Ld.

So it does. Confusing for new players, but there you go.

As has been stated yes you do go by the old rules for the drop pod as listed in the codex and are able to shoot when you arrive (at a BS 2 )...but going by the codex also means you don't get half your drop pods on turn one like the current SM codex.

Also Kill them all I believe just adheres to Crusader squads, jump packs, and bikes. I could be wrong but I'm sure its just basic infantry that has to still test not your entire army.

TheTrueProtoman wrote:Also Kill them all I believe just adheres to Crusader squads, jump packs, and bikes. I could be wrong but I'm sure its just basic infantry that has to still test not your entire army.

kill them all affects all non vehicle units and yes you still have to test to shoot at anything but the closest unit not really that big of a deal since your gonna want to assault what you shoot anyway

2. i believe you use the codex rules for drop pods and shooting i dont use them myself so im not 100% certain on this

3. you throw the holy orb 6" treating it as if you fired a bolt pistol for example roll a d6 add you bs if its 7 or greater you hit and place the blast template

p.s. the holy orb is one of my favorite peices of wargear in the templar armoury. also good luck at your tourney

OK so new question with Kill Them All........


Does it work as follows:

Declare the unit I'm shooting at.

Measure distance to unit.

Measure distance to units that may be closer or look to be a similar distance. (However with the rulings for targeting priority gone, does this really mean I could measure distance to EVERY unit on the table "just to be sure?")

If unit is closest, proceed to shooting.

If unit is not closest, take a leadership test at -1. If you pass, proceed to shooting.

If you fail, shoot at the closest unit.


Is that all correct?

TakamineG wrote:OK so new question with Kill Them All........


Does it work as follows:

Declare the unit I'm shooting at.

Measure distance to unit.

Measure distance to units that may be closer or look to be a similar distance. (However with the rulings for targeting priority gone, does this really mean I could measure distance to EVERY unit on the table "just to be sure?")

If unit is closest, proceed to shooting.

If unit is not closest, take a leadership test at -1. If you pass, proceed to shooting.

If you fail, shoot at the closest unit.

Is that all correct?

Yes, that is all Correct.

However, if you start measuring to units that are clearly not the closest, then I would call the judge. If the judge says it's legal your Sport score will be Zero. As that is a clear abuse of a rule.

jbunny wrote:However, if you start measuring to units that are clearly not the closest, then I would call the judge. If the judge says it's legal your Sport score will be Zero. As that is a clear abuse of a rule.

I wouldn't actually do that in a casual game

And it's Ard boyz where soft scores are no where to be found. lol

I agree it would be stupid to do it, but it's not really an abuse of a rule. It's GW ruling that you actuallly still test for it (even though RAW never say you actually roll the test) so in all honesty it's their fault for enforcing an old rule that doesn't work anymore for flavor purposes.

I love BT and their flavors don't get me wrong, I'm playing them because I love them, not their rules. But this one works in my favor if I really needed it to