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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 21:06:58
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Fixture of Dakka
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As I get older (34 this year), it's getting harder and harder to find cinema genuinely exciting. A seen it all before attitude set in long ago and prior to this afternoon, the last time I had a goosebumps moment in the flicks was that cavalry charge in Return of the King. So been waiting a while, but finally had another of those moments today. Watching an 11 year old girl literally take apart a room full of drug dealers was the first time in ages I've wanted to punch the air in delight (nearly 34, so I resisted the temptation).
Kick Ass was genius from start to finish and everything that happened in the film made sense. Why do people not put on costumes and go out and fight crime? Because they'd probably get a knife in their gut for their troubles. Kick Ass doesn't shy away from this fact, but it's also bloody hilarious (no joke spoilers from me, just take my word for it, you're in for a good chuckle). Ok, it detaches itself from reality in the final scenes, but that bit is great fun too, so you don't care. Not sure where a sequel would take it, but more please!
Verdict - Bronze Classic (An Outstanding Film of the Year)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 21:28:58
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Fixture of Dakka
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Hee Hee, check out this Daily Mail (most evil newspaper in Britain) review for an example of how some critics are going to miss the point... gloriously
Daily Mail wrote:
Kick-Ass (15)
Verdict: Evil
Rating: 1/5
Millions are being spent to persuade you that Kick-Ass is harmless, comic-book entertainment suitable for 15-year-olds.
Don't let them fool you. Kick-Ass has been so hyped that it is certain to be a hit. It is also bound be among the most influential movies of 2010. And that should disturb us all. It deliberately sells a perniciously sexualised view of children and glorifies violence, especially knife and gun crime, in a way that makes it one of the most deeply cynical, shamelessly irresponsible films ever.
The title character is nerdy American teenager Dave Lizewski (Aaron Johnson from Nowhere Boy). He yearns to be a superhero so he dresses up as one. The trouble is that he has no superpowers and - unlike Batman - no money. His one asset as a crime fighter is that he can survive serious thrashings because his nerve-endings have been destroyed by previous beatings. Like Wolverine in X-Men, he has metal plates where some of his bones should be.
The movie's central appeal is to fanboys like Dave, who will spot the references to previous comic-strip movies, and imagine that these constitute satire. Really, the tone of the movie is deferential pastiche. The plot is an unimaginative clone of Spider-Man 2, and the screenplay - by director Matthew Vaughn and Jane Goldman, wife of comic-book enthusiast Jonathan Ross - conforms slavishly to the cliched norms of Hollywood action movies by working towards not one but two huge action set-pieces at its climax.
As a rip-off of its Hollywood betters, it is sporadically funny, efficient, and well shot - hence my arguably overgenerous award of one star. The biggest problem of the movie, creatively speaking, is that it has pretensions to intelligence but is profoundly, irredeemably bone-headed. It starts as though it's going to expose the huge gulf between comic strips and reality, but ends up reducing the real world to the most morally fatuous kind of comic strip.
A worthwhile satire on comic-book culture might criticise the idiotic way it uses sadism and voyeurism to entertain, with no thought of the social consequences. It would also lampoon the risible pretentiousness of many so-called graphic novels. Kick-Ass does neither. The movie looks at first as if it might satirise the era where talentless nonentities can become celebrities. But it has nothing to say about that either. Although it runs nearly two hours, there's even less character development than there is social comment. Our hero learns nothing, except that extreme violence against criminals is cool, which is something he thought in the first place.
The reason the movie is sick, as well as thick, is that it breaks one of the last cinematic taboos by making the most violent, foul-mouthed and sexually aggressive character, Hit-Girl, an 11-year-old. Played with enormous confidence by Chloe Moretz, she's the most charismatic character in the movie. She may not realise it, but she has been systematically abused by her father, brainwashed and turned into a pint-sized psycopath. She believes that her vigilante dad (played, simplistically, for laughs by Nicolas Cage) is a hero just as much at the end as she did at the beginning. Her attitude towards him doesn't mature, which makes her pathetic, rather than cool. The fact that many people who see the film are going to think she is cool is one of its most depressing aspects.
The movie's writers want us to see Hit-Girl not only as cool, but also sexy, like an even younger version of the baby- faced Oriental assassin in Tarantino's Kill Bill 1. Paedophiles are going to adore her.
One of the film's creepiest aspects is that she's made to look as seductive as possible - much more so than in the Mark Millar and John Romita Jr comic book on which this is based. She's fetishised in precisely the same way as Angelina Jolie in the Lara Croft movies, and Halle Berry in Catwoman. As if that isn't exploitative enough, she's also shown in a classic schoolgirl pose, in a short plaid-skirt with her hair in bunches, but carrying a big gun. And she makes comments unprintable in a family newspaper, that reveal a sexual knowledge hugely inappropriate to her years. Oh, and one of the male teenage characters acknowledges that he's attracted to her.
Now, children committing violent and sexual acts should be a matter for concern. Children carrying knives are not cool, but a real and present danger. Underage sex isn't a laugh. Recent government figures revealed that in this country more than 8,000 children under the age of 16 conceive every year. Worldwide child pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry. In Africa and South America, brutalised youngsters who kill and rape are rightly feared as members of feral gangs or child soldiers. Movies such as City Of God, Innocent Voices and Johnny Mad Dog have treated the issue with sensitivity. But in Kick-Ass, childish violence of the most extreme kind - hacking off limbs, shootings in the mouth, impalings and fatal stabbings - is presented with calculated flippancy, as funny, admirable and (most perversely of all) sexually arousing.
The film-makers are sure to argue that there's nothing wrong with breaking down taboos of taste - but there are often good reasons for taboos. Do we really want to live, for instance, in a culture when the torture and killing of a James Bulger or Damilola Taylor is re-enacted by child actors for laughs? The people behind this grotesque glorification of prematurely sexualised, callously violent children know full well that they are going to make a lot of money, and they'll get an easy ride from the vast majority of reviewers, who either don't care about the social effects of movies or are frightened to appear ' moralistic' or 'judgmental'.
The truth is, of course, that all critics moralise and make judgments, whether they realise they are doing so or not. So please don't be misled. Kick-Ass is not the harmless fun it pretends to be. Yes, it's lightweight and silly, but it's also cynical, premeditated and mindbogglingly irresponsible. And in Hit-Girl, the film-makers have created one of the most disturbing icons and damaging role-models in the history of cinema
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 21:34:01
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well, I'm sold.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 21:38:00
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
Greenville, South Cacky-Lacky
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My girlfriend is gonna LOVE this movie!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 21:52:19
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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I'm still not sold on this one... but I'm getting closer!
Plus, I'm pretty sure a sequel has already been greenlit, but then, I'm sure that depends on how well this one does...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 23:07:49
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Comic was great, been looking forward to the movie. If you read the comics you know where the sequel might be heading as the last frame is a bit of a cliffhanger.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/08 23:19:08
Subject: Re:Kick Ass Review
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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I saw this film last week and I fully agree with Flashman. This is one of the best films I can remember and I think it deserves the 5 stars it is getting in a lot of the reviews. It manages to be completely insane while also being realistic enough to be possible. The film seperates comedy and action so you will be able to laugh one minute then take it seriously next scene. I completely recomend it.
Good find with the daily mail review, but I think they are missing the irony.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 02:45:53
Subject: Re:Kick Ass Review
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Loved the comic, gonna see the movie.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 05:51:16
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Solahma
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looks one-dimensional
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 07:23:27
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
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There are people who actually dress up as superheroes and "fight crime." Saw something about it on the Discovery channel. I think their job is essentially to call the cops if they see anything happening.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 08:15:24
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Manchu wrote:looks one-dimensional
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 08:21:45
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Fixture of Dakka
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Manchu wrote:looks one-dimensional
Well you'd have to watch it to form your own opinion I'm sure, but it didn't feel flat to me. Reluctant to talk about it too much because I don't want to spoil any of it (just realised it's not out in the States until next week), but I would say it dips into a range of issues while remaining great fun at the same time. The Dail Mail review (see above) argues that it doesn't look at these issues in any great depth. I'd counter that it's enough to acknowledge their existence without bludgeoning us around the head with them like some films do.
In one scene, a news report is showing a live internet broadcast, but cuts transmission when it becomes too violent. Everyone watching immediately dashes to the nearest computer so they can see what is about to happen. A simple and effective portrayal of mass media society.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 08:51:07
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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[DCM]
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Is it 'Watchmen' without the grimdark and giant blue penis in (seemingly) every 2nd scene?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 09:02:15
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Fixture of Dakka
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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Is it 'Watchmen' without the grimdark and giant blue penis in (seemingly) every 2nd scene?
Yes and no. It's a similar animal, but Watchmen was constrained to source material of significant depth and suffered a little as a consequence. It was also set in the 80s against the backdrop of the Cold War.
Kick Ass as I noted above is more reflective of today's internet society and rather than following a complex plot, simply asks the question, "What would happen if you tried to be a supehero?" and looks at the real life consequences of that decision.
Watchmen also takes its character's ambitions seriously, whereas Kick Ass acknowleges (to quote another review) that none of its costumed adventurers are playing with a full deck. Indeed the main character compares his actions to that of a serial killer, the need to move his fantasies into reality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 09:04:50
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Solahma
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Flashman wrote:whereas Kick Ass acknowleges (to quote another review) that none of its costumed adventurers are playing with a full deck. Indeed the main character compares his actions to that of a serial killer, the need to move his fantasies into reality.
Nope, sounds like a Watchmen rip-off to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 09:17:17
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Madrak Ironhide
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That other review is silly. We really need to move beyond the idea that comics are just for kids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 09:21:23
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Solahma
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malfred wrote:That other review is silly. We really need to move beyond the idea that comics are just for kids.
I thought that's what Watchmen was getting across but this movie seems like a serious step back. Dunno if I will watch it. I don't need to step in gak to know whether it stinks. By the same token, I;m not saying that a reasonable and intelligent person won't be entertained and I certainly don't think it will end society.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 09:27:37
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Manchu wrote:Nope, sounds like a Watchmen rip-off to me.
Films taking similar premises and approaching them with wildly different intent and tone are rip-offs?
I'm looking forward to seeing this, I'm pretty sure it'll be really funny, although I doubt anything could be as funny as that Daily Mail review. It almost read like a parody of the Mail, dragging stabbings, teenage pregnancy and paedophilia into a movie review.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 09:32:16
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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sebster wrote:Films taking similar premises and approaching them with wildly different intent and tone are rip-offs?
Films taking their substantive cues from stories that have had enduring appeal because of their originality as well as their depth and then throwing away the depth (originality is foregone prima facie) in favor of typical (pre)teen-movie sensibilities are indeed ripoffs. Riposte that I have not actually seen the movie all you like; I reiterate having no need to step in gak o know whether it stinks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 10:56:57
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Saw the movie on Wednesday, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Very funny and, to be honest, really not that sexual as the Daily Mail claims it is. Some of the violence is a bit too gruesome but, IMO, it adds to the comedic effect of the film.
Valk
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 11:11:44
Subject: Re:Kick Ass Review
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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I saw this movie yesterday (I can't believe it came out in Australia before America), I absolutely loved it. The fight scenes were extremely Tarantino-esque, but can still manage to be taken seriously (unlike, say... Inglourious Basterds). I do recall Hit-Girl as being somewhat sexualised, his friend saying he was "in love with her," the school-girl look etc, but where did the underaged sex comment come from? Kick-Ass and his girlfriend looked at least sixteen.
I find the comment about paedophiles adoring her positively laughable.
Speaking of laughable, that's all the movie is supposed to be; a black comedy, with Tarantino-esque violence. It's totally absurd that critics can review this movie as if it were supposed to be conveying some sort of moral message, or if it were a serious film. With an MA15+ rating (in Australia), what else could people possibly expect, other than violence and swearing?
Kick-Ass is just supposed to be a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 11:39:30
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Fixture of Dakka
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@ Manchu - I really think you're missing out, but as I have also avoided films that I thought looked rubbish, I respect your point of view. At the end of the day, no-one can watch every film that comes out at the cinema (money being a finite resource and all that), so you can only see what appeals to you.
That said, Kick Ass (film) was miles better than Watchmen (film).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 13:13:36
Subject: Re:Kick Ass Review
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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The film does contain more than just great action and humour scenes. When I watched I felt it looked a lot at the consequences of being a superhero. I took people's fantasies of being a superhero and looked at what would really happen, with some quite grim results. I think it tried to show that being a superhero wouldn't be as glorious as people imagine.
IMO this film is way above watchmen. I enoyed watchmen but found that it was just a normal superhero story which was made more adult, it was still set in another world with lots of impossible things. Kickass brings superheroes down to earth a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 13:17:41
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kick-Ass is kick ass.
Four word review of the movie.
Go put thay in your movie review section rottentomatoes!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/09 13:21:40
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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I enjoyed it. Didn't have rocket propelled chainsaws, but had something almost as good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/10 12:29:29
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Wasnt there someone who tried this a few years back in America. I never read about the person in the press but he did turn up as a point of commentary in Have I Got News For You.
Dressed mostly in purple and black and went by the nom de guerre of Night- something or other. Automatically Appended Next Post: Flashman wrote:
Kick Ass as I noted above is more reflective of today's internet society and rather than following a complex plot, simply asks the question, "What would happen if you tried to be a supehero?" and looks at the real life consequences of that decision.
Despite the basis concept the films heroes are superheroes. They have the superfiat superpower that allows screen heroes, even normal human ones to take on more than they would offscreen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/20 13:03:04
Subject: Re:Kick Ass Review
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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In some scenes yes hitgirls is a bit over the top, but kickass still gets beaten up regularly.
When Big daddy and Hitgirl are unarmed they go down just like any other person. Having a large sword or gun really changes the balance of a fight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/10 15:23:40
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Daily Mail wrote:
Just convinced me to see this movie.
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I will chainfist a pretentious English literature student who wears a beret.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/10 15:35:05
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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WarOne wrote:Kick-Ass is kick ass.
Four word review of the movie.
Go put thay in your movie review section rottentomatoes!
You wrote it as a four word review, but I'd argue that it should be written as Kick-Ass is kick-ass,
so depending on how you count the words it's either a three word review or a five word review,
but never four.
Manchu, I do that all that time (not watch stuff based on reviews, etc.) and I'm certainly not
arguing that Kick-Ass doesn't take inspiration from Watchmen's criticism of the superhero
genre, but I still don't count it as a rip-off. A rip-off would be like The Lightning Thief taking the
success of Harry Potter and applying a Greek gods motif to it. Watchmen is an influence for
anything that examines the roles of superheroes at all and in any way, kind of like the way
Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is an influence on anything Fantasy related with parties of odd
characters coming together to save the world. Some works are clearly rip-offs, and other
pieces are inspired or simply different.
I've only read the comics, though. That's not true, I've seen the Watchmen film. I'm hoping
to see Kick-Ass in the next few weeks. Maybe I can post more clearly then (especially since
I'll be able to compare two films rather than just the writings of Alan Moore vs. Mark Millar).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/10 18:17:41
Subject: Kick Ass Review
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Solahma
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malfred wrote: Watchmen is an influence for anything that examines the roles of superheroes at all and in any way, kind of like the way Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is an influence on anything Fantasy related with parties of odd characters coming together to save the world. Some works are clearly rip-offs, and other pieces are inspired or simply different.
This is a more fair appraisal than me simply calling it a rip-off, to be sure. I still will probably not see the movie, however. The preview leads me to believe that its theme is already better developed in the character of Rorschach to say nothing of other Watchmen characters/themes, its dialog is leaden and cheesy, and its aesthetics are laughable (somewhere between taking itself very seriously and being simple camp--i.e., a miss).
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