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Ok, Hellcannon loses all the Dwarfs, and rolls for Monster reaction, and gets the Stupid result.


What happens next, and in what order? Does he roll for stupidity first, then if he passes he rolls for his berserk rule? Or does he berserk first, then roll stupidity 2nd?



Clay

The hellcannon doesn't take a monster reaction test in the first place, as those are reserved by the BRB for ridden monsters only. Some specific army books override this and specify that a monster-and-handlers unit with dead handlers requires a MR test, but the hellcannon isn't one of them.

And a side note, besides giving up 103 VP I actually prefer my hellcannon to be handler-free, as she's potentially a lot faster and more dangerous

- Salvage

It says treat it as if it were a Monster and handlers, was I wrong in assuming that when things like Hydras lose all their handlers that they must test for MR?



Clay

Hydra is IIRC a monster with handlers, and unless the DE book says it takes a MR test than it doesn't. And for the record, I've never heard of a hydra taking a MR test.

- Salvage

Salamanders take monster reaction tests if all the skinks die.

Boss_Salvage wrote:Hydra is IIRC a monster with handlers, and unless the DE book says it takes a MR test than it doesn't. And for the record, I've never heard of a hydra taking a MR test.

- Salvage

"If the beastmasters are killed, the War Hydra must take a Monster Reaction test just like a ridden monster that loses its rider"

In other words - it is not a riddfen monster so by default does NOT take a MR test. Hydras are, as usual, different and so they DO take a MR test, because they are specifically told to.

Grimaldus wrote:

Boss_Salvage wrote:Hydra is IIRC a monster with handlers, and unless the DE book says it takes a MR test than it doesn't. And for the record, I've never heard of a hydra taking a MR test.

"If the beastmasters are killed, the War Hydra must take a Monster Reaction test just like a ridden monster that loses its rider"

Will you look at that! I suppose I've never seen one test because the handlers are quasi-nigh-untouchable, and only die after the beast is dead or are run down with it ...

- Salvage

Grimaldus wrote:

Boss_Salvage wrote:Hydra is IIRC a monster with handlers, and unless the DE book says it takes a MR test than it doesn't. And for the record, I've never heard of a hydra taking a MR test.

- Salvage

"If the beastmasters are killed, the War Hydra must take a Monster Reaction test just like a ridden monster that loses its rider"

How would the beastmasters be killed before the hydra tho, they cant be hit cause the hydra takes all the attacks.... Unless im reading the war hydra rules wrong.

Because you have various items that let you pick out models to attack directly - it is only when you randomise shoots that the Hydra takes all the attacks.

For example the basic WoC nurgle spell is great for popping the handlers, as are H long rifles

nosferatu1001 wrote:Because you have various items that let you pick out models to attack directly - it is only when you randomise shoots that the Hydra takes all the attacks.

For example the basic WoC nurgle spell is great for popping the handlers, as are H long rifles

Ok yeah looks like a read it wrong. In CC only the hydra can be hit, and shooting isnt randomized. It does look however that with spells that target a single model, or with shooting that targets a single model, they can be picked out.

The Hydra CAN be hit, however if you *can* hit the Hydra you MUST hit the hydra - so in a wide enough unit some models WILL be able to target the Handlers.

@ OP. IIRC the hellcannon has to make a leadership test at the beginning of each turn. If the dwarves are still alive you test against their ld(8 I believe). If they are dead you're testing against the hellcannons ld. If you fail the ld test you go 3d6 towards the nearest enemy unit. If you pass you can shoot as normal. The only reason it mentions the dwarves as handlers is to get the point across that their leadership is used and how to deal with shooting against it. Re-read the entry in the codex. You may have missed something.

Ld9, theyre dwarves

It also is used when charging, as it means you ignore the handlers for charging arcs etc.

Another HC caveat to keep in mind: if/when the 'cannon dies, the dwarfs have no special rules, especially not those of the 'cannon herself. Not only are they not unbreakable and not fear causing, they also apparently do not benefit from the Will of the Gods!

- Salvage