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A Tau Pathfinder unit flank marches in a devilfish. It parks, doesn't move and next turn they get out. In the same turn a unit of Fire Warriors jumps in and the Devilfish turboboosts to an objective. No rules were broken.

According to a friend though, it wrecks the spirit of the game.

I call bull.

Cheap, maybe... Excellent generalship definitely.

As an aside people who complain about the "spirit of the game" are generally trying to pull something. That something being getting you to disregard the rules in a given situation because they work in your favor.

Last time I checked, the Devilfish wasn't a fast vehicle. So the turboboost would have been illegal.

Well, not turboboost then... a movement. Was obviously a mistype on my part and not part of the underlying situation

Then it was definantly good planning. Smart, not cheap.

As long as you did not break any rules I would not think it is cheap. How exactly did he think it was ruining the spirit of the game?

Walls wrote:Well, not turboboost then... a movement. Was obviously a mistype on my part and not part of the underlying situation

Turboboost is bikes - it has nothing to do with fast vehicles.

I agree, this is not cheap at all.

I regularly have orks jumping in and out of all sorts of trukks, wagons and various vehicles throughout my games.

Its a rare game for me when an ork trukk boy squad ends the game in the same vehicle it started in.

Turboboose = Bikes

Flat out = Fast Vehicles (skimmers can move furhter, but still must be fast to begine with)

I don't get it. Why not just give the FW a dedicated transport for themselves? What am I missing?

The fact that pathfinders are forced to take a fish they don't rally need, because of heavy weapons.
So if you buy a fish for the warriors you pay for 2 fishes 1 of which will end up being empty most of the game, most people get around this by sticking warriors in the finder's fish.

Is there not a rule at the very end of one of the sections on vehicle movement that says that units may not disembark from or embark on a vehicle that has or plans to move flat out in that movement phase?

Yes, there is - if a vehicle plans to move Flat Out! you cannot embark on it that turn.

Walls wrote:A Tau Pathfinder unit flank marches in a devilfish. It parks, doesn't move and next turn they get out. In the same turn a unit of Fire Warriors jumps in and the Devilfish turboboosts to an objective. No rules were broken.

According to a friend though, it wrecks the spirit of the game.

I call bull.

@Nos:

That's what I thought. The highlighted section of the OP had confused me. Several subsequent posters seemed to think that this was a perfectly acceptable thing to do, but the Devilfish may not move flat-out if a unit embarked upon it that same turn.

I missed it first turn, and was concentrating on the "using someone elses transport" issue.

Saldiven wrote:

Walls wrote:A Tau Pathfinder unit flank marches in a devilfish. It parks, doesn't move and next turn they get out. In the same turn a unit of Fire Warriors jumps in and the Devilfish turboboosts to an objective. No rules were broken.

According to a friend though, it wrecks the spirit of the game.

I call bull.

@Nos:

That's what I thought. The highlighted section of the OP had confused me. Several subsequent posters seemed to think that this was a perfectly acceptable thing to do, but the Devilfish may not move flat-out if a unit embarked upon it that same turn.

Or maybe it was because we all know that the Devilfish cannot move Flat-Out as it is not a fast vehicle.......?

Haha...actually, I didn't know that. Tau are a very rare commodity in my parts right now.

Didja read all the posts it was brought up pretty fast, 3rd post even.

Well, to be fair, they did say 'turboboost' in that post and no one ever stated flat out that Tau skimmers are not fast vehicles and therefor cannot move flat out. Nosferatu came close.

Dang i screwed up again

HoverBoy wrote:The fact that pathfinders are forced to take a fish they don't rally need, because of heavy weapons.
So if you buy a fish for the warriors you pay for 2 fishes 1 of which will end up being empty most of the game, most people get around this by sticking warriors in the finder's fish.

That's usually done by deploying the fish next to the warriors so they can embark on the first turn. This rigamarole with outflanking seems gratuitously overcomplicated. There are a lot of baffling unnecessary steps. Why are the Pathfinders outflanking at all? Why are they bringing their fish along for the ride? Why don't they disembark on the turn they arrive so they can shoot their markerlights next turn instead of two turns later?

I don't see:

a) Why your opponent had a problem with this. How does it break the spirit of the game the whole point of the rule change in 5th ed was to allow you to do this.
b) Why you wanted to outflank your pathfinders.
c) Why you didn't just start the game with fish and FWs on the board and they'd have got a lot further and you'd have had ML support from your pathfinders all game.

Sharing transports is a standard tactic for all armies since transports are not dedicated in 5e.

Let's forget the outflanking and turbo boosting. Pretend none of that ever happened. The qualms were about the disembarking one unit and embarking another in the same turn.

Walls wrote:Let's forget the outflanking and turbo boosting. Pretend none of that ever happened. The qualms were about the disembarking one unit and embarking another in the same turn.

Which is perfectly legal.

If I was running around a battlefield and saw a friendly vehicle and needed to get somewhere fast...you can bet on me jumping aboard that fish or truck or whatever is at my first opportunity.

Not cheap...just smart.

Walls wrote:Let's forget the outflanking and turbo boosting. Pretend none of that ever happened. The qualms were about the disembarking one unit and embarking another in the same turn.

The exchanging who's in the hoopty is completely legal. Unless I am mis-remembering, I believe the only restriction is that one unit may not both disembark and embark in the same turn; ie, you couldn't get out of one transport and board another one in the same movement phase.

Or is my brain making that up?

Nope, your brain isnt making that up

In 4th ed you were restricted from entering any dedicated transport at any point, unless it was bought for you. Which was very silly!

Yeah the only restriction is that you can only embark and disembark once for each unit. the reason this rule is in place is that otherwise intact buildings and vehciles could be used as teleporters imagine a run of 5 Rhino's side by side within 5" of each other (so with the Rhino's span that is at total of 35" across) a unit could embark on one side and through embarking disembarking jump out the other side 35" away and potentially still have most or all of it's 6" movement less (with long buildings this problem can become worse and less situational).