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Just want to make sure I have his right...

With a GK LRC...I can move flat out (12") and then shoot both Hurricane Bolters and my Assault Cannon.

Yes, you can as by the codex definition of Hurricane Bolters they always fire and the Assault Cannon can be fired using Power of the Machine Spirit.

Good...I had someone arguing that the Hurricane Bolter rule simply replaced the Power of the Machine Spirit.

Well next time you can just rub their nose in your codex and say "I told you so" just like in third grade

Also - you CANNOT move "Flat Out" - as you can only do that if you are Fast.

What you CAN do is move up to 12" which is Cruising speed (I think....not much sleep last night) and fire everything as noted above

Yesk, pedantic , thats me

Are you sure about this?

Stationary - Fire all weapons.
Combat Speed - Fire 1 weapon + Defensive Weapons + Power of the Machine Spirit
Cruising Speed - Power of the Machine Spirit

Power of the Machine Spirit allows you to fire one additional weapon beyond what you would normally be able to fire.

At cruising speed a normal vehicle can't fire any weapons at all. So 0+1 equals 1 weapon. It shouldn't matter whether the hurricane bolters are defensive since at cruising speed even defensive weapons cannot fire.

GK Land Raider Crusader has special rule: Hurricane Bolters

You can fire the hurricane bolters regardless of how far you move.

hamsterwheel wrote:Are you sure about this?

Stationary - Fire all weapons.
Combat Speed - Fire 1 weapon + Defensive Weapons + Power of the Machine Spirit
Cruising Speed - Power of the Machine Spirit

Power of the Machine Spirit allows you to fire one additional weapon beyond what you would normally be able to fire.

At cruising speed a normal vehicle can't fire any weapons at all. So 0+1 equals 1 weapon. It shouldn't matter whether the hurricane bolters are defensive since at cruising speed even defensive weapons cannot fire.

Please read the actual codex before commenting. GKLR's Hurricane Bolters have different rules. They can be fired no matter how far the vehicle moves. So a GKLR can indeed move 12" and fire the Bolters (via it's special Rule) and it's Assault Cannon (Via PotMS).

Impressive. Remind me not to play against GK.

Praxiss wrote:Impressive. Remind me not to play against GK.

I wouldn't worry about it. A full squad of Grey Knights in Power Armor with NO UPGRADES is more expensive than that Land Raider. To beat a Grey Knght army all you have to do is kill about a dozen models in power armor, and then they don't have enough troops for objectives, either holding or contesting.

Stupid expensive army choices.

I'm NOT bitter about my Grey Knights. I swear. A lot...

But does the Daemonhunters codex spell out the same POTMS rules as found in Codex marines?

If not, then you cannot use those rules for your land raiders. I don't recall seeing the updated rules in the GK codex so correct me if I'm wrong. You have to take the good (Eternal warrior bypassing Force weapons) with the bad (not POTMS).

Little Pete wrote:But does the Daemonhunters codex spell out the same POTMS rules as found in Codex marines?

If not, then you cannot use those rules for your land raiders. I don't recall seeing the updated rules in the GK codex so correct me if I'm wrong. You have to take the good (Eternal warrior bypassing Force weapons) with the bad (not POTMS).

No, they are in the Errata instead, which is hard changes to the actual rulebook and knowingly not using them is (for lack of a better word) cheating.

Where is the errata? On the GW site?

Have they also done erratas that bring the other older marine codexes up to date or is it a typical example of GW being haphazard with updates?


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Just found the Errata, thanks Gwar. How like GW to deal with some issues but not address the Eternal warrior skipping weapons.

Oh well,