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Disclaimer!: I have no idea if anyone has thought of this yet, I an idea I came up with! PLEASE, dont yell at me if someone else has already thought of this idea.

A while back I was looking at a Land Raider, which I myself have never used but my loving father(Dutch508) has converted one into a chaos one... with a dead Imp-guard guy on it... that he has often used on me and I was looking for some vengence. SO, as I was looking at the larger than life, it would be cool to see one of these on a real battle field, Land Raider I thought to myself, It would be so cool if I could give it four side turrents instead of just TWO... and that was when it hit me.

Dragons Breath
The land raider has two side turrents and two doors, one on each side of both, however if you were to buy two sets you would have the equipment to built one with two turrents on each side... I have codenamed this idea, "Dragons Breath". Now I do not know if anyone has used this idea before but I think it would be really, really cool. However then it would be overpowered... So I came up with some counter rules for it. First of all, it cant carry troops, at all, they carry ammo where troops would be. Second it would have to be much more armored, so it doesn't blow up very easy... However, because of varous reasons, places such as the side would be weaker so that the turrents can spin its full 45 degrees and still shoot... Armored everything but the sides. A perfect escort tank however.

Tortoise
Then I realised that you would have two extra doors... and a tank without weapons on it. So I started to think of an idea much like a seige tower, it can carry troops, and it can carry a lot of them. The Land Raiders front section would be much more heavly armored than the rest of it allowing it to plow into walls and other fortified locations and drop its ramp allowing its troops to pile out. Now because it has no ammo in it that would take up space, it would be able to carry more troops... instead of 12 Space Marines, 24 of them would be able to hitch a ride in this massive transport tank. Instead of 6 Termanators, 12... However the rest of it would be weak. Heavly armored front, very weak rest... it would have to be escorted pretty much by stuff that can cover it or you risk it being blown up.

Please tell me what you think... Ling, over and out.

I think the Dragon Breath would be too overpowered for any real use, although it would make a very interesting Apoc Vehicle, maybe a Super-Heavy.

The Tortoise is a good idea. I see it as a Super-Heavy Raider with a colossal Dozer Blade on the front. It ploughs through a fortification and troops unload into the building through hatches in the blade itself.
Use the Imperial Guard Gorgon as a base idea, and work from that.

Valk

What the hell's a turrent? Did you mean turret? Even if you did you still arent using the right word. The things on the side of landraiders are called sponsons. Look it up. I hear that a good grasp of language is useful for getting about in life.

Your first idea has been done by gw here. Honestly that tank looks silly and completely impractical (the rear sponsons arent even shoot forward for khornes sake).

Your second idea has more merit but landraiders would not be modified to have weaker armour, considering they already have the maximum armour you can on every facing. It makes no sense lowering that. A proper all-round AV14 transport, without rediculous sponson guns to drive up the cost, would be good.

Regwon wrote:What the hell's a turrent? Did you mean turret? Even if you did you still arent using the right word. The things on the side of landraiders are called sponsons. Look it up. I hear that a good grasp of language is useful for getting about in life.

Your first idea has been done by gw here. Honestly that tank looks silly and completely impractical (the rear sponsons arent even shoot forward for khornes sake).

Your second idea has more merit but landraiders would not be modified to have weaker armour, considering they already have the maximum armour you can on every facing. It makes no sense lowering that. A proper all-round AV14 transport, without rediculous sponson guns to drive up the cost, would be good.

Woah, no need to be harsh, the guy had some good ideas. While they may seem a bit far-fetched, they could be pretty good if worked on.

Why shoot him down simply because he can't find the right word for the weapons. Remember Rule 1: Be Polite.

Valk

Eh, I don't hate the guy for finding a word misspelled and for correcting me, why should I? Hate doesn't solve problems.

I have been thinking of how this would work, Tortoise wouldn't cost as much as a normal LR, and Dragons Breath would cost a hell of a lot more. And the back two arn't supposed to shoot forward, they are supposed to be able to face the rear and shoot from the back the same time the front two would be able to shoot stuff in the front... it would make some pretty interesting sights in Fluff stories...

And the thing I see wrong with that guys LR, he decided that there should be eight guns instead of ten, and personally I would use lascannons on Anti-armor(Like the normal one)... Flamers on a Tank that I want up close and personal(Kinda like the Crusader)... and Huricane Bolters against everything else(Redeemer)...

...so you're making a Land Raider Terminus Ultra with options other than lascannons; would make for a fun Apoc datasheet. Think of the hilarity that would ensue if you equipped it with that many hurricane bolters...

what about land raider that have been modified for underwater assaults like assault in the SW codex?
instead of lascannons maybe twin linked missile launchers and a lascannon where the heavy bolter is instead?

I dig the tortoise. Seems like a very space marines thing to do. Maybe give it a siege shield, the assault vehicle rule, and (just an idea) a special fuel injection that it can fire moving at cruising speed that adds 1d6-3 inches to the movement (being really heavy, it sometimes just burns out the engine). One thing you could do to represent its extra armored-ness, is to make it immune to multiple armor pen die rolls, but only when shooting at its front arc, then dropping its rear armor to compensate. Really cool idea.

Dragon Breath - I'm with Owain modeling it after the Terminus Ultra would be a good idea.

If I wanted to do a LR for water-to-land assults, I would have to find people who want to my IDEA for a Warhammer 40k campaign based on WWII... D-Day and other stuff. However I do like the idea.

the tortiose tisk tisk tisk my boyz cant deal wif dat armour 14 da mek needz ta be gettin sa-more of dem power clawz
haha its a really good idea although with a trans cap of 24 the marines could through a party 20 mabye
the vehicles are also very proned to be used in fluff like magnas calgar is battling through a whole planet of nids they got the comm system they need know to get out the ship is on they other side of the moon tortoise away!!


on second thought (after reading over that wasnt very fluffy at all)

Looks cool, try it out for your next apocalypse game

I'd like to share some thoughts about your project. A Razorback with twin-linked las cannon can carry 6, a rhino 10. So when you drop 2 twin-linked las cannons, how about you can carry 8 more? Or you could go with 24, but that is ridiculous many. It's also impractical since only super-heavies and the new Stormraven which can transport more than one unit.

The idea for a Land Raider with extra side sponsons is much more applausable. As mentioned before, GW already made one version with 5 las cannons. The sponsons from the Space Marine Predator fits perfectly for that purpose. What about a Redeemer tank with 2 Flamestorm cannons + 2 heavy flamers on the side? Blood Angels Baal Predator comes with heavy flamer side sponsons. Or you could have the Crusader with extra heavy bolter sponsons. The problem with having short-range weapons is that you can't move and shoot too much, so the Las Cannon already made is actually the best version, since it can just stay in one place and blast enemies from distance. If you had 3 flame storm cannons and 2 heavy flamers on one tank, you would only be able fire 2 if the tank moved 6". Auto cannons would be the best option as extra sponsons, but then you'd had to make custom sponsons, since it only comes as turret for predator and dreadnought arm.

I cannot properly picture the Tortoise, is it like this? http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180096_Space_Marines_Datasheet_-_Land_Raider_Ares.pdf

BTW, I like both of these ideas, so much I have made my own BA Ares.

No, it's not like that. That's Ares, the one you made. The Land Raider he explains has no side sponsons, only doors. 2 doors on each side. Is that difficult to imagine?

I think the sponsons is something that makes the Land Raider looks cool, removing them would give you a more boring model, but if you don't agree, give it a chance.

To avoid forward sponsons blocking rear sponsons LOS you could always bring back gattling...
instead of twin-linked you get D3 shots (that are not twin linked)

lascannon becomes 1-3 shots
flamestorm becomes 1-3 shots
Heavy bolter becomes 3-9 shots
hurricane bolters become 3-9 shots (6-18 in rapid fire range)

As for the tortiose 24 seems decent (thats 10 temies and 2 termie charecters)
Give it the effects of a siege shield, assault vehicle and a no extra melta dice, etc in the front arc

I like the idea of the tortiose but as it hasnt got its sponsons does it still have hull mounted heavy bolters or the option to mount a pintle multi-melta?

The only way you could use 24 is 10 termies and two characters which is impossible because only one character allowed per unit and one unit per vehicle.
But why not up its front armour to 15 make it immune to dangerous terrain and have ceramite plates on the front aswell so nothing but a feck load of railguns will take it down and increase its points to 300 and have no guns on it?

you could have 2 twin-linked assault cannons and a hull mounted heavy flamer or flamestorm cannon that may be op though

Well, The hull Mounted weapons system would still be there, thus allowing supporting fire as troops unload from the front. But the reason the Tortoise wouldn't have Sponsons is because they would get caught when breaking through walls, and if the weapons get broken in the field, they could take time to repair, in the field.

And a Frack load of Railguns? Wouldn't that remove ANY threat?

ChocolateGork wrote:The only way you could use 24 is 10 termies and two characters which is impossible because only one character allowed per unit and one unit per vehicle.
But why not up its front armour to 15 make it immune to dangerous terrain and have ceramite plates on the front aswell so nothing but a feck load of railguns will take it down and increase its points to 300 and have no guns on it?

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