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Hey,

I used to play Fantasy and WH40K about 7 or 8 years ago (I have an all-metal Daemonhunters army....) and want to get back into the hobby. I always wanted to play Space Wolves and I love the new plastic models. Not sure when they introduced the new versions or codexes but I'm psyched to start building and playing with the sons of russ! I'm in the Boston area, so if anyone on here knows of a good place to go for games that would be awesome too. I've heard of Battleground Games but I'm hoping to find a place pretty local to Boston/Cambridge.... Wish they hadn't closed the old 'Arvard 'Ard Boys store in harvard square but such is life.

I've done my fair share of reading about Space Wolves and their associated tactics, and I'm a pretty in-your-face kind of guy so the idea of launching a good chunk of my army towards my opponent and pounding on their face, while the rest of my army sits back and blasts away with las-cannons and auto-cannons sounds like my kind of battle (probably why I lost so often with my Daemonhunters, ha). One of my favorite models is Canis Wolfbord, not only because he can *take the number of enemy models in which he is in base contact with as his number of attacks that round* but also because he is only 195 pts (and WS 5, S5, T5 with 3 wounds...)

I've posted two lists, the first I am more serious about, the second has two land raiders (one Godhammer platform, one Crusader platform) and it was more for fun and the "I love land raiders!" aspect of playing SM.

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(1995 pts.)

HQ:

Canis Wolfborn - 185
Fenrisian Wolf - 10

Elite:

- Wolf Guard pack(5) - 280
- WG Termie w/ PF
- WG Termie w/ PF
- WG Termie w/ PF and combi-meltagun
- WG Termie w/ PF and assault canon
- Marked WG Termie w/ 2 PFs

- WG Venerable Dreadnought w/ EA, T-LLC. - 210

Troops:

- 10 Grey Hunters w/ 2 meltas, plasma pistol, pf - 255
- GH w/Mark
- GH w/PF
- Rhino

- 10 Grey Hunters w/ 2 meltas, plasma pistol, pf - 255
- GH w/Mark
- GH w/PF
- Rhino

- 15 Blood Claws w/ Flamer, meltagun, pf - 250
- BC w/PF

Heavy Support:

- Land Raider w/ EA, Multi-Melta - 275

- Land Raider Crusader w/ EA, Multi-Melta - 275
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List 1 Discussion: For this list the termies and BCs go in each land raider (depending on my opponents chosen race I'd switch the squads between tanks. For guard/eldar/orks I'd put the BCs in the crusader for shredding large squads and the Termies in the Godhammer for tank/wraithlord/killa kahn hunting.). The two raiders sit on the outside of my formation, with the rhinos in the middle so they effectively benefit from the raider's 14 armor. Canis Wolfborn is deployed behind the rhinos and between the raiders so he is effectively shielded (I don't think he counts as a monstrous creature but I haven't gotten my hands on the SW codex yet so meh). The dreadnought stomps around behind them blasting away with the TLLC. The whole army launches forward (minus dread) first turn charging towards the core of my opponents line. If he deploys in two groups I'd send the termies and dread after smaller force and take canis, both rhinoes and BCs after the main force. Another option I am considering for this list is getting rid of the dreadnought and adding a predator annihilator (TLLC and two sponsoon lascannons, and adding extra armor to all smaller tanks that don't already have it (that's about the cost of the Ven. Dread).


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(2000 pts.)

HQ:

Canis Wolfborn - 185

Elite:

- Wolf Guard pack(5) - 295
- WG Termie w/ PF and combi-meltagun
- WG Termie w/ PF and combi-meltagun
- WG Termie w/ PF and combi-meltagun
- WG Termie w/ PF and combi-meltagun
- Marked WG Termie w/ 2 PFs and Cyclone missile launcher

- Dreadnought w/EA, Heavy Flamer, Multi-Melta. - 140

Troops:

- 10 Grey Hunters w/ 2 meltas, plasma pistol, pf - 255
- GH w/Mark
- GH w/PF
- Rhino w/EA

- 10 Grey Hunters w/ 2 meltas, pf - 255
- GH w/Mark
- GH w/PF
- Rhino w/EA

- 15 Blood Claws w/ Flamer, meltagun, pf - 250
- BC w/PF

Heavy Support:

- Predaor w/ TLLC, Sponsoon LCs, Multi-Melta - 165

- Predaor w/ TLLC, Sponsoon LCs, Multi-Melta - 165

- Land Raider w/ EA, Multi-Melta - 275

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List 2 Discussion: I love predators. This list should be evidence of that. Similar strategy as above, except the termies are either deep-striking w/BCs in land-raider, or the termies go in the raider and the BCs walk and I just let them do their thing being headstrong and all. The predators can also provide some shielding/line-of-site blocking for the BCs. I'd deploy the two rhinos in the center of my formation, wit hthe raider on the right for example. The blood claws and predator would form the hammer and flank my opponent to the left, the the termies and GH in their tanks providing the anvil and the raider providing some 14 armor as cover to the GHs and ensuing close-combat between my wolves and opponents soon-to-be-dead squads. I'd send every lascannon I have (which is alot) at a tank until it's dead, then the next tank, etc. My dreadnought would follow behind the rhinos and provide support in close-combat and defense against getting flanked.

Another thought I had was to add a rune priest with storm caller and Jaws of the World Wolf to provide some nice cover for my army while I'm pounding my way towards my opponent. I'd drop a termie, a blood claw, and a GH from each squad to add the RP.

For both lists, and also for some fun if I find someone who wants to play at the 2500 or 3000 points level (I love big games), I'd add another squad of BCs, another dreadnought, and a rune priest. I love special characters so Lukas the Trickster and Njal Stormcaller would be two awesome add-ins to a 3K point army too.

Anyways this is already a terribly long post so I'll end it here for now. Any advice/comments/suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I haven't bought a single model yet, and want to get at least a core army set so I can start fabricating those while ironing out the fine details.

I'd say drop Canis in both lists. He's just sitting around by himself, it makes him a pretty easy target. Otherwise, drop the wolf guard and grab a few Thunderwolf Cavalry to act as a retinue for Canis. I think your squads look good. But, in list two, how's using the LR? I would also try to get that Dread a drop pod.

If there is a list I prefer it would be list 2. Now for some changes I think you should REALLY consider:

1) Marked Wolf Guard don't really belong in Terminator Armor. Not to mention, in Terminator Armor with 2 Power Fists. I think that comes up to be ~150 points for a Wolf Guard that is not Arjac...that is a waste son.

2) Plasma Pistols...not a huge fan of to tell you the truth...I would personally keep those out for overall savings to use on other wargear.

3) I would do Autocannon Turrets with Lascannon Sponsons. Saves you something like 60 more points and you'll be happier in the long run.

4) I would save the Extra Armor on all of the vehicles as you know it is A LOT more expensive than it used to be and not as useful.

5) Use the overall saved points for another unit to help fill out. Grey Hunters and Long Fangs are the Bread and butter so you should toss some more in here.

6) I'm assuming the Land Raider is a Crusader...who's going in it?

Overall, it is a fine start and wish you the best. Oh and about Canis...hide him behind a Land Raider and let him just whoop ass whenever he so chooses.

1) it says in the builder that the marked WG with two PFs is 58 points... Of the 5 terminators in the squad I have 4 which cost 48 points, and the 5th (marked) costs 58 points.

2) I dropped the PPs. Agreed.

3) This is a really good suggestion. I'll build the preds with both LCs and ACs and game-test a combination of dual LCs, dual ACs, and LC/AC pairs and see which one I like the best.

4) Sounds good.

5) I'll see what other unit I can add, maybe a landspeeder or a unit of grey hunters on foot. Maybe even a rune priest and I'll drop the BC pack down to 14 and put the RP in the raider with them.

6) Land raider godhammer. I'm going to use it to bring the BCs up to my opponent's doorstep.

Also, I dropped all of the plasma pistols, extra armor, etc, and if I drop the predators twin-linked lascannons I can squeeze another land raider in their for the wolf guard to cruise around in.


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@grim_smasha: I've read a bunch of literature on how Canis is really useful if you shield him well, and putting him between two land raiders and behind two rhinos and predators I think he should be just fine. Also Anyone that tried to target him and leave the predators, rhinos, and land raiders alone will just get smashed to bits by the 10 lascannon shots I'll be making either turn (twin-linked shots and those from machine spirit shot are included in that count).

The Marked Wolf guard with 2 Power Fist is acompleat waist of points, He can not use them. If you want him in terminator Armor give him the Assualt Cannon and a Storm Shield.
Canis can work as a good Leader for the Blood Claws.
I would also just give the Blood Claws the 2 Flamers as the Melta will miss 1/2 the time. I would also give one of the Power Fist to the BC with one of the Flamers.

This might also help
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/266924.page

I would not leave home without at least 1 long fang squad backing up all your guys. Kanis is beastly but i would bring some Thunderwolf Cav to come along with him. him and a unit of thunder wolves would be Awsome.

He really needs a retinue IMO. I've seen Tau lists at 1500 fielding 9 broadsides , I know, it's completely ridiculous, but its happened. My point being, do you think that a guy who's toughness 5, without an invulnerable save is going to survive concentrated heavy weapon fire? Now, it isn't always going to happen like that, but it could.

Canis could work as a good leader for the blood claws, if they were walking.

Agreed, but I have 6 tanks (two LRs, two predators, two rhinos). Canis just hangs out behind them and they block the line of sight. If anyone fields 9 brodsides they won't have much else in their army and once my LRs get to them they're toast.

Also this is just one of several situations I may encounter and I'll consider throwing in a few thunder wolves in exchange for models from the GH and BC units to create a retinue for Canis.

Thanks!

Well if you plan on keeping Canis behind your tanks you're going to really have to watch out for people with out flank. He won't be getting cover saves then. Also I dont really see the point of your pred set ups. Why have all LC yet a melta? I doubt you're going to want to get close enough to use the melta if you want to use the LCs effectively.

And I too never leave home with out my long fangs. And for 2000 points you dont seem to field much. And remember lucky shots = immobilized vehicles and if your whole plan is to have Canis behind a shield of vehicles thats great... btw cover saves kind of suck because Canis is a huge model they are probably going to get Los on him anyways. And I personally feel having him hide behind tanks is totally against the character fluff in the book.

Hmm, even more good points. The meltas on the LRs are so that they can blast tough units or tanks when the termies and BCs assault from them.

I am looking into some thunderwolf calvary for Canis. I think I'm going to use the WFB Khorne Juggernaught and Bloodcrusher models to make some retinue on wolves for Canis and have him join them.

I can also swap a predator for a unit of long fangs with a razorback and LC (would need to drop a model or two from GH squads to fit the points in it.


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Also, Canis will follow directly behind the tanks for the first turn until he can charge a large unit. Then I hope to keep him in close combat for as long as possible or until he dies.

The long fang is just such a well worth it unit. and if they have to they can even fight. and if you lose one you still have more weapons on the board.

Yeah I wish they awould hurry up and make some Thunder Cav Models.

I dunno, I think that the bloodcrusher and juggernaught are actually really bad-ass models and the fact that they have armor will make it really awesome when they are painted in SW colors. I'll buy the plastic wolf models and use some green stuff to merge the open wolf head with the bloodcrusher model. I won't get around to this until June or so but will post some pictures when I do.

I should probably post my Thunderwolf Conversions. I use the Circle of Orbos Warp Wolf for my Thunderwolf Cavalry because they're so huge and I like to play to the fluff as much as possible. It kind of sucks as you can almost never hide the things for cover purposes; however, I don't think you really need to completely hide them as they are tough as nails. Just my opinion of course.

You use the warp wolf Those are huge models. Maybe we should just start calling them dragon riders and stick them on an Angelius

Any how, initially I was thinking about using Chaos Blood Crushers or the Fantasy Khorne General Riding a Juggernaught. He looks scary!

Well, just in case... Mark of the Wulfen rule and ANY special CC weapons rules are conflicting. If you take MotW, you can't benefit from any special CC weapons rules. Of cause includes 2 Power Fist. Sadly I know, but as simple as that.
I am a Chinese exchange student to Needham this year, in Greater Boston area too if you are not familiar with the town. I played Tau before in China for 2 years, but didn't bring the army here, so decided to start a whole new SW army here in U.S. too. You can find my new army and list and all under my name as well. Still in assembly and painting process, but in finding opponents part, I REALLY have difficulties. It seems MA area people are just not that into WH40k. If you find any good places to go around Boston, please tell me.
Good luck!

This is where I am buying wolves for the thunderwolf calvary I am using. I liked the rearing, lunging, and baying models the most so I'd go check those out and see what's up!

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-battle-wolves/

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Hobby bunker has a friendly group of people, store is loaded with tons of mini's. Its about 15 minutes from cambridge. Ive yet to play any games with anybody there but ive talked to a few and they seem cool and non competative.

http://www.hobbybunker.com/

Awesome models, but pricy! 90 bucks for all 5! yikes. I REALLY hope GW comes out with wolves soon. Hopefully they will, since now on their site the advance order page is empty! cross you fingers!

I think the T-Wolves won't be coming out for a long, long time. Those models are pretty cool, in a really cheesy kinda way

Well, we gotta hope. See what the BA got? That sort of treatment is what I hope the wolves get, and hopefully soon!

Yep. Just couldn't believe why GW came up with so personal and inspiring a modeling concept and then not even bother to give a hint of where all those wolves end up. Especially Cyberwolves... Mixture of Machine and Flesh... If they really gonna put it on advance order I am gonna order them a whole army and also with Canis. The sole awesomeness on the tabletop already worth it!

Yeah, if they do it right, it could be overwhelming...

Oh, and sorry for hijacking the thread!

Alright, so I think I've gotten everything ironed-out.

The grey hunter and BC squads stay the same, but I added two thunderwolves as a retinue for Canis. I dropped the dreadnaught from the first list, and added a predator annihilator for tank-hunting to this one. Canis and the TWC follow up behind the rhinos and LRs, with the predator providing cover fire/anti-shooty-vehicle support to things.

I'm also thinking about throwing in a small (5-man) unit of scouts with a wolf guard leader and PF, with melta-bombs and grenades just to make my opponent think twice about focusing on my predator.
I would drop 1 GH from each squad and 2-3 BCs to pay for this unit.

HQ:

Canis Wolfborn - 185
Fenrisian Wolf - 10

Elite:

2 x Thunderwolf calvary, PF, SS - ~120

- Wolf Guard pack(5) - 280
- WG Termie w/ PF
- WG Termie w/ PF
- WG Termie w/ PF and combi-meltagun
- WG Termie w/ PF and assault canon
- Marked WG Termie w/ 2 PFs

Troops:

- 10 Grey Hunters w/ 2 meltas, plasma pistol, pf - 255
- GH w/Mark
- GH w/PF
- Rhino

- 10 Grey Hunters w/ 2 meltas, plasma pistol, pf - 255
- GH w/Mark
- GH w/PF
- Rhino

- 15 Blood Claws w/ Flamer, meltagun, pf - 250
- BC w/PF

Heavy Support:

Predator Annihilator - 90 (TLLC, Sponsoon Lascannons)

- Land Raider w/ EA, Multi-Melta - 275 (transport for blood claws)

- Land Raider Crusader w/ EA, Multi-Melta - 275 (transport for wolf guard)


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@darkwolf - no worries ;-). I get carried away too sometimes.