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I've just read through the codex : orks today,

And I'm really feeling bad about the orks,

They always say humans are weak,and they kill humans like nothing

But they never mentioned that they triple the numbers of human!

Puny fungi.

What do you think?

Orks are supersoldiers, 1 on 1 an ork boy would decimate most IG.

Yeah,but that's because their to stupid to notice, but they only consider cc proper fightin' and lets see a guardsman get 3-4 attacks at 5 strength on the charge. Plus to them bigger is always better and well a human are never going to win that with an ork.

In TT if a tau and a ork decided to have an arm wrestle it would be a draw. S3 for both of them haha.

Shaman wrote:In TT if a tau and a ork decided to have an arm wrestle it would be a draw. S3 for both of them haha.

I had to go find my codex to double check that... ork boys are actually s3

corpsesarefun wrote:

Shaman wrote:In TT if a tau and a ork decided to have an arm wrestle it would be a draw. S3 for both of them haha.

I had to go find my codex to double check that... ork boys are actually s3

Yes and S4 on the charge. Face it, if you've got tose 60+ attacks hitting you on the charge, S5 is too much. They had to lower it for balance sakes.

Orks can arm wrestle a Space Marine and possibly win, while a tau is more frail than a human. This alone proves how messed up the TT stats are.

I never thought of orks as particularily 'strong' in any sense. Instead I always regarded them as 'hardy'. There is a difference, they tough but the lack hitting power, and I think that Str 3 represents an average Ork Boy accurately enough. In CC a Space Marine should, and will most likely, win. And it's not that far-fetched for a human to achieve the same thing either.

@Shaman: We had a remnant group of 4 Firewarriors beat a 5-strong squad of Stormboyz. The stormboyz charged, fluffed thier attacks (3 ones to wound with a power klaw) and the Firewarriors killed one and ran the rest down. They were on an objective as well.

Orks are brawlers, they don't aim for any particular target they just run in screaming. Whereas a weaker Human or Tau is going to have had training in where to hit to get maximum damage. If orks aimed for vunerable areas like the head or chest they would be as powerful as a SM but instead they just hit whatever they can reach first.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I never thought of orks as particularily 'strong' in any sense. Instead I always regarded them as 'hardy'. There is a difference, they tough but the lack hitting power, and I think that Str 3 represents an average Ork Boy accurately enough. In CC a Space Marine should, and will most likely, win. And it's not that far-fetched for a human to achieve the same thing either.

@Shaman: We had a remnant group of 4 Firewarriors beat a 5-strong squad of Stormboyz. The stormboyz charged, fluffed thier attacks (3 ones to wound with a power klaw) and the Firewarriors killed one and ran the rest down. They were on an objective as well.

Orks are indeed extremely strong. On the scale of brute strength, the average Ork Boy is somewhere between a well-conditioned human soldier and a Space Marine. Nobz are probably as strong, or nearly as strong, as Space Marines; most Warbosses are physically perfectly capable of taking a Space Marine to pieces. For eveidence, check the average size chart in the 3rd Ed. Ork Codex; the average height for a Warboss is ten feet!

Orks are also much, much tougher physically than any normal human can hope to be without extensive augmentation. Once again, somewhere between "really tough human" and "Space Marine" on the raw damage-absorbing scale. However, they also have an additional benefit; anything that does not kill the Ork on the spot, it will heal from. They have something more or less equal to a SPace Marine's regenerative capability, even though they can't take as much punishment before dying.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I never thought of orks as particularily 'strong' in any sense.

Dude have you SEEN their arms?

corpsesarefun wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:I never thought of orks as particularily 'strong' in any sense.

Dude have you SEEN their arms?

Yeah, and I think in CC Orks and SM are fairly even. I always figured that Orks would be just as strong as a SM, but without the armor.

Although yes, even though they are a horde army in the TT, they are very hard to kill in the fluff. They are a T4 horde after all. And in all honesty, Orks regenerative process is probably better than SM, after all, an Ork can have his head cut off, and have it sown back on and he'll be fine .

The average boy has probably got the raw strength pretty close to a Space Marine, but lack the focus and finesse to properly place that strength. Much like a very drunk boxer, he can hit as hard as ever, but he'll be much less likely to hit the 'hurty points.'

Furious charge kind of represents this, as during the ecstacy of the charge, the orkz are envigorated to maim, tear, and murder their enemies.

The average Nob could probably rip a space marine in half, if given the chance. And a warboss could do far, far worse.

for once the "uplifting primer" is right about somthing.

orks do have a thinner muscle mass then a human, this is due to the fact they are plants.

pound for pound, and ork is just as strong as a physically fit human.

unfortunally for humans, orks are much hardier then we are. again this is because they are plants. plants don't suffer from hydrostatic shock as much as animal life does.

warbosses are so strong because they have muscle mass, durability, and sheer weight behind their punches.

Grey Templar wrote:for once
warbosses are so strong because they have muscle mass, durability, and sheer weight behind their punches.

Or the fact that they have a giant mechanical arm capable of tearing a tank in half is mounted on their arm.....That could be a factor......just saying......

Fafnir wrote:The average boy has probably got the raw strength pretty close to a Space Marine, but lack the focus and finesse to properly place that strength. Much like a very drunk boxer, he can hit as hard as ever, but he'll be much less likely to hit the 'hurty points.'

Exactly. I liken the average ork boy to a drunken, monkey, brawler (for a number of reasons) as compared to an actual fighter aiming for weak points.

I don't think Orks mention the outnumbering because they don't do so much math.

Orks are essentialy green plant-gorrilas. The rules unforunatley don't reflect this well enough.