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I'm still in the process of putting together my Assault EC army, and I have everything locked in except for the HQs. I plan on going to a basement tourney next weekend, so I'm hoping you guys can help me come to a decision.

Though I'm not a fan of the cookie cutter dual princes, I do like the idea of huge flying distractions.

You need the sorceror for the lash... And you need Lucius to kill marines. The big bad DP will be hard to hide and will get shot up as a priority. I know i would....

DON"T LET YOUR DAEMON PRINCE GET ASSAULTED!! That way have been a bit over the top, but in the past 2 or so years of playing with this book my Slaanesh DP never survives a round of assault. May just be my bad luck, idk.

Lucius looks good, but you can get the siren on all of your champs anyway, and he's taking up space that could be better used for a DP, or Scorc. I've used him before and was really underwhemed, plus having 2 Doom Sirens in one unit just means you'll never get into assault if you shoot before hand, cause you'll probably kill everything.

Now before i go on ranting, may i ask what else you have in this list, cause that would help us to help you, as far as finding a fit for you HQ.

I think the sorcerer of slaanesh with lash, familiar, warptime is your best bet.

He's capable in assault, and adds utility to the army with Lash, but is not as vulnerable as a DP.

willydstyle wrote:I think the sorcerer of slaanesh with lash, familiar, warptime is your best bet.

He's capable in assault, and adds utility to the army with Lash, but is not as vulnerable as a DP.

Although he costs more than a lash prince and cant do nearly as much damage.

Take two lash princes as your HQs. They kill stuff better than the other choices, cost less, draw fire from the rest of your army and are scary to look at from across the table.

You need to remember that if things arent shooting at your DPs then they will be shooting at the rest of your army, which will die a lot faster than a big MC. It takes quite a lot of fire to down a DP, much less than it takes to kill a squad of marines.

With wings you have the speed to pick and choose your combats so you can make sure that you dont get into one that you cant win. If there a big combat squad that you need to kill double charge with both your princes. At I6 they will strike before almost everything and 10 WS6 S6 attackswill do lots of damage.

Lucius is a bad choice of HQ. Hes very expensive for a model that gets one shotted by fists. You will have enough anti-MEQ from doomsirens and blast masters to not need him at all.

You can't do any damage if you're dead, and lash princes are ridiculously easy to kill with str 4 attacks.

Billie_Joe wrote:Now before i go on ranting, may i ask what else you have in this list, cause that would help us to help you, as far as finding a fit for you HQ.

Noise Marine x9
Champion, Power Weapon, Doom Siren, Meltabombs, Personal Icon
Rhino

Noise Marine x9
Champion, Power Weapon, Doom Siren, Meltabombs, Personal Icon
Rhino

Chaos Space Marine x10
Icon of Chaos Glory, Lascannon

Chaos Predator
Sponsors/Lascannon

Chaos Predator
Sponsors/Lascannon

Chaos Terminator x5
Icon of Slaanesh, Combi-Plasma x5

I have 300-340 points worth of space for HQs.

willydstyle wrote:I think the sorcerer of slaanesh with lash, familiar, warptime is your best bet.

He's capable in assault, and adds utility to the army with Lash, but is not as vulnerable as a DP.

I'm probably wrong, but If I hide the Lash Sorcerer in a unit of NM, wouldn't Lash go off at the same time as the Doom Siren defeating its purpose?

Yes, that's the trick to using a lash sorcerer is picking the right unit for him. I like him in a unit of sonic blaster noise marines, as they have the same range as him.

willydstyle wrote:Yes, that's the trick to using a lash sorcerer is picking the right unit for him. I like him in a unit of sonic blaster noise marines, as they have the same range as him.

I usually never think of Sonic Blasters, but that sounds like a really good combo that I may have to try.

What I could do is maybe a best of both worlds kinda thing with:
Chaos Sorcerer
Warptime, Mark of Slaanesh, Plasma pistol, Meltabombs, Personal Icon, Familiar, Lash of Submission
w/
Noise Marine x9
Sonic Blasters x9
Rhino

Lucius the Eternal
w/
Noise Marine x9
Champion, Power Weapon, Doom Siren, Meltabombs
Rhino

Not to be a dick, but having the plasma pistol is pointless since you're going to be using lash instead.

On a side note, how to you resolve Lash and Doom Siren going off in the same unit? Do you lash first then place the template or what?

They go off at the same time.
...beyond that, I have no idea actually.

I'm thinking the 'move' occurs after the template is placed, but I can't think of a RAW stance...esp. without the dex and rulebook on hand.

Because placing the template is the "check range" step for a template weapon, you check the 24" for the lash and place the template for the doom siren at the same time, to determine number of hits.

Then you roll wounds and move the unit. You can't move the unit before you place the template.

Billie_Joe wrote:Not to be a dick, but having the plasma pistol is pointless since you're going to be using lash instead.

The Plasma Pistol is just there to help strengthen the flexibility gained from Warptime. No need to Lash if they're already in assault range.

The plasma pistol is wasted points. You may fire the thing once during the game. Find some other place to invest those points.

If you want some backup firepower then a combi melta + warptime is an excellent combo. That would be more preferable over a plasma pistol (no overheating = win).

candy.man wrote:If you want some backup firepower then a combi melta + warptime is an excellent combo. That would be more preferable over a plasma pistol (no overheating = win).

Combi is only available to Sorcerers in terminator armour, and I would like mine in a rhino.

augustus5 wrote:The plasma pistol is wasted points. You may fire the thing once during the game. Find some other place to invest those points.

This is one of those things I have a problem understanding, I seem to always read about how this and that are wasted points, but what would be better... extra amour on a rhino? (sarcastic)

Extra armor on a rhino is actually not a bad investment.

I simply cannot count the amount of times where my opponent rolled a 2 on the damage chart and I got to transform that into a crew shaken instead.

Keeping a rhino on the move has more chances of winning you a game than a single plasma pistol will.

Daemon Prince with wings, MoS, lash.
In larger games like 'Ard Boyz I'd consider Sorcerers.

Extra Armor is a bad investment if you pass it out like candy.
EA is 'decent' if you say a combat unit that you REALLY need to have it moving, but again, not when the cost of it is 42.85% of the cost of a Rhino...sheesh.

15 points is an extra chaos marine with an extra bolter. There ain't nothin' wrong with that. Also, if you have any dreadnoughts, extra armor is actually quite worth it on them.