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Space Marines vs Tyranids

In a game against my dad his tyranids were 11 bordering 12 inch away, I declared a shot with my rapid fire bolters then measured to see if they were within the 24 inch bolter range, I then went on to measure the rapid fire distance and he walked away.

Do you need to DECLARE a rapid fire, or is it an automatic measurement when the initial shooting has been declared?

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Zikanis wrote:Space Marines vs Tyranids

In a game against my dad his tyranids were 11 bordering 12 inch away, I declared a shot with my rapid fire bolters then measured to see if they were within the 24 inch bolter range, I then went on to measure the rapid fire distance and he walked away.

Do you need to DECLARE a rapid fire, or is it an automatic measurement when the initial shooting has been declared?

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Wow, thats a hell of a crappy dad.

No, you don't need to declare a "Rapid Fire". You declare that the unit is shooting it's bolters. Models within 12" get 2 shots and models within the max range get 1 shot.

You dont need to declare a rapid fire.

You just say; "That unit fires at that unit".

You then measure to see the range. The marines within 12" fires twice. The marines outside of 12" fires once (assuming you haven't moved of course).

Gwar! wrote:

Zikanis wrote:Space Marines vs Tyranids

In a game against my dad his tyranids were 11 bordering 12 inch away, I declared a shot with my rapid fire bolters then measured to see if they were within the 24 inch bolter range, I then went on to measure the rapid fire distance and he walked away.

Do you need to DECLARE a rapid fire, or is it an automatic measurement when the initial shooting has been declared?

fast replies please

Wow, thats a hell of a crappy dad.

No, you don't need to declare a "Rapid Fire". You declare that the unit is shooting it's bolters. Models within 12" get 2 shots and models within the max range get 1 shot.

Is that OFFICIAL GW rules or is it interpretation?
because i KNOW that will be the next issue.
thanks for your rapid fire reply XD

Zikanis wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Zikanis wrote:Space Marines vs Tyranids

In a game against my dad his tyranids were 11 bordering 12 inch away, I declared a shot with my rapid fire bolters then measured to see if they were within the 24 inch bolter range, I then went on to measure the rapid fire distance and he walked away.

Do you need to DECLARE a rapid fire, or is it an automatic measurement when the initial shooting has been declared?

fast replies please

Wow, thats a hell of a crappy dad.

No, you don't need to declare a "Rapid Fire". You declare that the unit is shooting it's bolters. Models within 12" get 2 shots and models within the max range get 1 shot.

Is that OFFICIAL GW rules or is it interpretation?
because i KNOW that will be the next issue.
thanks for your rapid fire reply XD

Yes, it is "Official GW Rules", mainly because that is what the rules say.

Once you've declared shooting, you measure to see if you're in range. Then you work out how many shots each model gets based on their weapon and the distance.

You can say which models will shoot with a RF gun(for example say the plasma won't fire), not how they will shoot. If they're in range they WILL shoot twice, says so on page 28 of the rulebook.

In previous editions there were situations where you did have to declare which mode of fire you were using. Perhaps your dad is used to playing old versions of 40K?

ETA: Technically, you do have to declare which weapons you are firing in that unit before you start firing that unit (in case you don't want to fire some weapons or have choices between several, you can't change your mind once you've declared which weapons are firing once you've started), but many people don't enforce that. Usually it's not that important. But if you've declared you're firing your bolters you don't have to declare a fire mode.

Dude, your dad sounds like a jerk. The rules are completely clear, you don't need to declare a rapid fire. Its not like its some sort of action separate to a normal shooting attack. You just declare a unit is shooting at another unit, then if any RF weapons are in 12 inches they get 2 shots instead of one. I would show your dad this thread and the rulebook references said in earlier posts.

Edit: Maybe your dad is used to playing older edition, as another poster said, where the wording in the rulebook was more like what your dad was saying. Either way, he shouldn't just walk away in the middle of a game.

As other have said, declare the shot then measure. 12" get their 2 shots and 12.00001-24" get 1 shot if you didn't move.

Just wanted to add, fire your dad and get a new one asap.

awww, be nice to him. A lot of people I play with mix up old rules from former editions. I am lucky I just started with the 5th ed book, so I don't have volumes of old rules to 'forget'.

Hey - be glad your dad likes 40k! Now get him back to the board and rapid-fire his bugs again!!

--another 40K dad