12+ Spells

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**Ventriss**

Hello had a bit of a brain lapse

are even spells with casting level 12+ still cast irrisisable roll of 2 6's??

**nosferatu1001**

Yes they are.

**Ventriss**

Thanks

Had a total brain lapse! lol.

**ShivanAngel**

Yup, lots of skaven players will throw 2-3 dice at the 13th for this reason.

**Ventriss**

Yeah

Just been reading rumours for 8th ed magic rules and got all confused! lol.

**ShivanAngel**

Yeah i was reading through those too, and im hoping a lot of it is just rumors....

Im fine with magic being more risk for more reward, but miscasts are already devastating. (Cost me a game friday).

Just some of it seems so un-fantasy like I just dont believe that they would change them in that regard.

**BorderCountess**

Yeah, a lot of that seems unfounded. The game is largely fine, as-is. It's certain armies that need work (ie, Daemons).

**ShivanAngel**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:Yeah, a lot of that seems unfounded. The game is largely fine, as-is. It's certain armies that need work (ie, Daemons).

I agree that the game is largely fine, i would really like to get away from hero-hammer though.

When i played 6-7 years ago the table would be packed with a huge army. Now all you see is one dude on a dragon and 4-5 smaller units.

**BorderCountess**

Hero-hammer varies from army to army. Some armies (Vampire Counts) rely on their characters in ways that other armies can't (Empire). Sometimes, there's theme to consider (Tzeentch Warriors).

**Zenkaron**

You must still meet the req. number for casting. rolling 2 6's doesnt mean the spell goes off.

**Fearspect**

It never says that anywhere. Reread the exact words of irrisistable force.

**ShivanAngel**

Zenkaron wrote:You must still meet the req. number for casting. rolling 2 6's doesnt mean the spell goes off.

This is incorrect. It specifically says in the rulebook if you roll 2 or more 6's the spell is successfully cast.

It does not say you must still meet the required casting level.

Theres a reason i throw 2-3 leftover dice at the 13th every turn.

**nosferatu1001**

Zenkaron wrote:You must still meet the req. number for casting. rolling 2 6's doesnt mean the spell goes off.

This is entirely, 100% incorrect. Please read the rulebook before posting, especially when you are contradicting many other posters - its just common sense.

**Seon**

It was in an errata. But not specifically for this question.
You still need to roll enough dice to be able to achieve the casting value anyway.

**Grimaldus**

Yes, but if the errata you're thinking of was the dark elves power of darkness that was in the context of you cant just use one power dice to try to cast a spell you know you wont get off

**nosferatu1001**

Seon wrote:It was in an errata. But not specifically for this question.
You still need to roll enough dice to be able to achieve the casting value anyway.

NO YOU DO NOT.

The dark elf PoD errata means you have to have *a chance* of casting the spell. IF IS a "chance" of casting the spell, and therefore if you throw two dice at a spell you can ALWAYS cast *any* spell.

**BorderCountess**

The Power of Darkness question was about throwing one die at a 12+ spell to avoid taking a hit from extra dice. One die will NEVER cast Black Horror.

2 dice you have a shot: Irresistable Force. I don't particularly LIKE Rules as Written, but there you have it.