Space Marines Combat Tactics

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**Natfka**

This question came up.

A group of devastators were hit by a earthshaker round, and killed 40% of the squad, they failed their pinning test. They were pinned, and at the end of the shooting phase had to make a moral check. The marines chose to fail, and fell back. He falls back 3" auto regroups, and continues to fire during his round.

The question is whether they can choose to make or fail their moral check when pinned. We allowed it, and I just want to see if we did this correct.

**nosferatu1001**

Have a quick search - I believe this came up recently.

In short I tihnk the result was "no", as you cannot perform any voluntary actions, and choosing to fail is surely voluntary - you have chosen not to take the test.

**reds8n**

Doesn't being pinned mean you don't take morale checks anyway ?

**nosferatu1001**

Nope, "pinning" simply states you are gone to ground, and GtG then states you react as normal to enemy actions - taking morale checks as normal.

**Scott-S6**

In argeement with Nos on this one:

You take the moral test "as normal" but does using combat tactics to auto-fail that test constitute a voluntary action?

I would argue that it does as it requires you to make a choice and use an optional special rule. As such it is prohibited by the "may do nothing of it's own volition" clause of Going to Ground.

**Gwar!**

Scott-S6 wrote:In argeement with Nos on this one

As am I. Using Combat Tactics is a Voluntary action, since you don't automatically use Combat Tactics to Fail the test, you use combat tactics to automatically fail the test. Subtle, but very important.

However, if he DID fail his morale check roll, made a fall back move, then Regrouped with ATSKNF, he can shoot at you, since Pinned units who fall back stop being Pinned.

**Chimera_Calvin**

I'd add that as regrouping happens at the start of his turn and counts as movement he would not be able to shoot his heavy weapons at you (you mentioned it was a dev squad), just his bolters.

**Gwar!**

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'd add that as regrouping happens at the start of his turn and counts as movement he would not be able to shoot his heavy weapons at you (you mentioned it was a dev squad), just his bolters.

Read the ATSKNF rule.

**Sanctjud**

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'd add that as regrouping happens at the start of his turn and counts as movement he would not be able to shoot his heavy weapons at you (you mentioned it was a dev squad), just his bolters.

Heh, don't forget about all of the rules for ATSKNF...it says "No U' to you.

**Scott-S6**

Yep, ASTKNF breaks a whole bunch of rules!