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For anyone with the time, patience, MONEY, and ability to find a big enough force to go against I present my take on the ultimate Ultramarines force.

Never again will people say the Ultramarines are Smurfs when they get this army pounding them:

HQ:

Marneus Calgar
Armour of Antilochus

265

Chief Librarian Tigurius
The Avenger
Vortex of Doom

230

Honour Guard (10 SM)
x 10 Relic Blades
Digital Lasers
x 10 Aux Grenade Launchers
Chapter Banner

695

Honour Guard (10 SM)
x 9 Relic Blades
x 1 Thunder Hammer
Digital Lasers
x 10 Aux Grenade Launchers

670

Honour Guard (10 SM)
x 10 Relic Blades
x 10 Aux Grenade Launchers
Digital Lasers

670

Dedicated Transports: x 3 Drop Pods w/ Locator Beacons

135

ELITES:

Close Combat Terminator Squad
3 TH/SS & 2 LC

200

Dedicated Transport:
Land Raider Redeemer
Multi Melta
H K Missile

260

Sternguard Veteran Squad (10 SM)
Sergeant: Power Sword
Combi- Plasma
x 7 Storm Bolters
Multi Melta
Plasma Cannon
Heavy Flamer

325

Sternguard Veteran Squad (10 SM)
Sergeant: Powerfist
Combi-Melta
x 7 Combi-Meltas
Multi Melta
Plasma Cannon

335

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (10 SM)
Combat Squadded
Sergeant: Combi-Flamer
Power Sword
Flamer
Plasma Cannon

200

Tactical Squad (10 SM)
Combat Squadded
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Power Sword
Flamer
Plasma Cannon

200

Tactical Squad (10 SM)
Combat Squadded
Sergeant: Combi-Plasma
Power Sword
Flamer
Plasma Cannon

200

Tactical Squad (10 SM)
Combat Squadded
Sergeant: Power Fist
Combi-Flamer
Plasma Gun
Missile Launcher

215

Tactical Squad (10 SM)
Combat Squadded
Sergeant: Combi-Plasma
Storm Bolter
Plasma Gun
Missile Launcher

200

Scout Squad (10 SM)
Combat Squadded
Sergeant Telion: Power Sword
Missile Launcher
x 8 Sniper Rifles
x 10 Camo Cloaks

245

TRANSPORTS:

x 3 Razorbacks
Twin-Linked Assault Cannon
Storm Bolter
Dozer Blade

360

FAST ATTACK / ASSAULT

Vanguard Veteran Squad (10 SM)
Sergeant: Lightning Claws
x 9 Relic Blades
x 9 Storm Shields

645

Vanguard Veteran Squad (10 SM)
x 10 Relic Blades
x 10 Storm Shields

660

Land Speeder Squadron (3LS)
x 3 Tornado Assault Cannon
x 3 Multi Melta

300

HEAVY SUPPORT:

Land Raider Crusader
Multi Melta
Extra Armour

275

Land Raider Crusader
Multi Melta
Extra Armour

275

Vindicator
Brother Sergeant Chronus
Siege Shield
Extra Armour
Dozer Blade
Storm Bolter

225

TOTAL: 5495!!!!

basically 5500 points of "this is what the ultramarines are REALLY like if you piss the First Company off".

Tigurius knows all psychic powers and can cast three per turn. So you don't need to list which ones because you can use any you wish

Honour guard really do suck tbh. And having them in pods means they'll get shot up because they will deep strike and then spill out and sit there. Honour guard cannot take drop pods I don't think either.

Redeemer doesn't need a H-K - you split fire with the multi melta.

Why have you given sternguard storm bolters? They cannot use the special ammo and they do not need heavy weaps. Just give them combis and a rhino and send them on there way.

Vanguard suck. Speeders in squads suck.

Chronus sucks especially on a template weapon.

Hellfire, man. I thought this was meant to be decent? Its like a train wreck even if just a theory list.

LOL. it was just a bit of fun!

Wanted to see how crazy the points could get taking elite choices. and personally I think it would perform a lot better than you make out. But oh well...

Here we go defending the choices:

Having Honour Guard in Drop Pods with Calgar means that when the assault squads are engaged in combat at the front of the enemy line, supported by the Land Raiders and Sternguard, Calgar and 30 Honour Guard drop behind the lines and pile into the enemy rearguard. (SORRY reread rules and gonna have to do that with Vanguard Veterans instead)

Why give them storm bolters? Why not. Special Ammo is nice, but only if you go for anti armour rounds really.
And I like Storm Bolters!!

Vanguard Veterans do NOT suck in the amounts I've put.
I'm sorry, 10 relic blades and storm shields will take apart nearly any enemy squad. And if that doesn't do it the other squad will.

Speeders in squads suck? I disagree. You get a lot of firepower and flexibility with speeders that you don't get from the rest of the army. What other unit can zip from nearly one side of the board to the other in one turn?

Chronus sucks? so having a vindicator fire using BS of 5 instead of 4, and having better chance of template fire not going off target sucks?
OK........

I'd love to face this list with 5500 pts of IG. I agree with mercer on your choices, you would probably only win against a bad opponent.

Like I said, I was just trying to get the most elite units into the list.

Apologies if loadouts weren't to everyone's tastes. but I think you'd be surprised how that force would work.

Corennus wrote:LOL. it was just a bit of fun!

Wanted to see how crazy the points could get taking elite choices. and personally I think it would perform a lot better than you make out. But oh well...

Here we go defending the choices:

Having Honour Guard in Drop Pods with Calgar means that when the assault squads are engaged in combat at the front of the enemy line, supported by the Land Raiders and Sternguard, Calgar and 30 Honour Guard drop behind the lines and pile into the enemy rearguard. (SORRY reread rules and gonna have to do that with Vanguard Veterans instead)

Why give them storm bolters? Why not. Special Ammo is nice, but only if you go for anti armour rounds really.
And I like Storm Bolters!!

Vanguard Veterans do NOT suck in the amounts I've put.
I'm sorry, 10 relic blades and storm shields will take apart nearly any enemy squad. And if that doesn't do it the other squad will.

Speeders in squads suck? I disagree. You get a lot of firepower and flexibility with speeders that you don't get from the rest of the army. What other unit can zip from nearly one side of the board to the other in one turn?

Chronus sucks? so having a vindicator fire using BS of 5 instead of 4, and having better chance of template fire not going off target sucks?
OK........

I know it's a bit of fun, but some units and choices are much to be desired. Whether a bit of fun good choices should still be taken. It's like you've gone crazy man, crazy I tell thee!

But you take sternguard for special ammo - what is the point in switching all bolters for storm bolters, you cannot use special ammo then. So you just have space marines with storm bolters. If you want to do that get a command squad full of storm bolters. Honestly this is a waste.

How much do those vanguard cost? 400 points maybe? You can get 2 squads of assault terminators for that; they're over costed and still just have power armour.

Speeders don't suck on there own. Thuink about it armour 10 is pretty weak and when in squads your vehicles become destroyed when immobilised, you only need to score a glancing hit and you've lost one. They work better in singles.

Think about the vindicator as well. Your firing a template so with chronus' ballistic skill you scatter 1" less - wow! You want something good get a tri-las predator or dakka predator with chronus so you can take better advantage of his ballistic skill.

OK hehe i'll work on a "new and improved" list over the weekend. Otherwise known as monday morning lol

have a good weekend all.

A full a veteran army would be fine.

It's a bit meh isn't it? You've done a good job of listing expensive items in the Codex, but any 3000+ army is going to look good.

Needs more Land Raiders

You might as well just play apoc

New somewhat improved 7000 point force on the way!!!

SEVEN THOUSAND POINTS..


EEEKK!!!


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With (wait for it) no less than:

5 land raiders

6 Razorbacks

3 Rhinos

9 Landspeeders

One Tigurius

And a Calgar in the armeeeee

oh and 3 honour guard, 3 Terminator squads, 6 10 man tactical squads.......

Whats the point, really? Looks like any equal point army will beat yours because you're just picking expensive units just for fun.

I think you need to buy Army Builder to get this "build a huge army and wow look it's huge" thing out of your system

I was going to comment on the units you picked but then I saw you gave Scout Sgt Telion a power sword, so I know you're not serious

Do buy army builder though, best 40 bucks you can spend on this game, and you won't be able to make a broken list

Aren't relic blades 2 handed weapons?

Relic blades do not allow you to use an offhand weapon in CC.

Right. final time i'm posting on this thread cause yes it was fun seeing how this army panned out. If I had the money and time i'd so build it just to see what it would go up against.

HQ:

Marneus Calgar 250

Chief Librarian Tigurius 230

Honour Guard (5 man)
x 5 Relic Blades
Digital Lasers
Razorback w/ T-L Assault Cannon

345

Honour Guard (5 man)
x 5 Relic Blades
Digital Lasers
Razorback w/ T-L Assault Cannon

345

Honour Guard (5 man)
x 5 Relic Blades
Chapter Banner
Razorback w/ T-L Plasma Gun & Lascannon

350


ELITES

Terminator Assault Squad (8 man)
Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi Melta

620

Terminator Assault Squad (8 man)
TH/SS x 8

360

Terminator Squad (10 man)
x 2 Assault Cannons
Land Raider

710


TROOPS:

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Power Weapon
Combi-Plasma
FLamer
Missile Launcher
Razorback w/ T-L Heavy Flamer

260

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Power Weapon
Combi-Plasma
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Razorback w/ T-L Heavy Flamer

260

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Power Weapon
Combi-Plasma
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Razorback w/ T-L Heavy Flamer

230

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Power Fist
Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Multi-Melta
Rhino

245

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Power Fist
Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Multi-Melta
Rhino

245

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Power Fist
Combi-Melta
Melta Gun
Multi-Melta
Rhino

245

FAST ATTACK:

Land Speeder Squadron
x1 Multi Melta
x2 Heavy Flamers
x 3 Typhoon Missile Launchers
x 1 Tornado Multi Melta
x 2 Tornado Assault Cannons

x 3 squadrons

1520

HEAVY SUPPORT

Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi Melta

260

Land Raider

250

Land Raider

250



TOTAL POINTS: 6990

Yes it's an elite heavy force.
Calgar goes with the Honour Guard in Razorbacks (not wearing Terminator Armour), and Tigurius leads one of the Assault Terminator Squads.
Taking 8 man Assault Squads cause Crusaders have a transport ability of 16 (16/2 = 8!)

First three tac squads are combat squadded to seize objectives and provide fire support. Melta Marines are tank hunting.
Land speeder squadrons provide fire support for infantry and harass flanks.
Land Raiders tank hunt and provide cover for infantry

Why you got 3 honour guard squads for? Pretty sure you can only take one per chapter master.

On the terminators you can only take ONE dedicated land raider per terminator unit, so standard terminators cannot take a land raider each. The assault terminators must have it.

Don't give combi weapons to the sgts with power weapons because they lose the bonus attack. Give fists if you want a combi weapon . Also lose the flamers on the razorbacks; they suck. Go lascannons or las/plas.

Calgar can take 3 honour guard squads.

Assault Terminators can take a dedicated transport, and one Terminator squad can take a dedicated transport.

Plus the heavy support land raiders take the rest of the terminators.

Sgts lose bonus attack?? ok. i'll give them power fists.

Flamers on Razorbacks, I thought they'd be a good support for the Honour Guard / Tac Squads.
Ok in that case t/l plas and lascannon.

Show how much I use calgar

Ah sorry buddy, misread your post.

Yeah you get a bonus attack for 2 close combat weapons, the power weapon and the bolt pistol.

The flamers need to get in real close putting your tank at risk. I'd just tank ranged support or assault cannons so you have range. Las/plas is good for tough beasties and las is good for anti tank.