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Appologies if this has been asked in the past...

I wanted something clarified, for this came up in a past game! In my Ork Codex: Grazghkull and the Warboss can each take a squad of Nobz or Mega Nobz, A Big Mek can take a Deff Dread, & Wazdakka can take a squad of Bikerz. Each of these are taken as a troop choice!
Now as they are taken as Troop Choices, can these also be classed as Scoring Units?!
Personally I say yes , but in the past i've been told that cause these are not in their usual FOC slots that they cannot be used as scoring units!

So I ask you all... can these Troop Choices be used to score?!

I think yes, that's the way I play it and have seen many people play. I think you are right and your opponents are CHEATERZZ .

Check out page 90 of the rules. Three exceptions to being scoring units: If it is a vehicle, swarm special rule, or if it specifies in the codex that it is a scoring unit.

1) if they are troops, then they are troops and so score.

2) The exception are Deff Dreads, as they are vehicles and so DONT score by the BRB and dont have a codex rule overriding it, unlike DA.

Just a small correction to the OP:
Wazdakka can take 6 Warbiker Mobs as troops if you wanted to, not just one, and they may still be taken as fast attack as well.

Yes.
Scoring.
Call your buddies who say otherwise "Gitz" and move forward! LOL

Eric

Thanx All, this helps nicely!

the Nobs and mega Nobs are scoring

the Dreads are not.

Bikes are also scoring IIRC as they aren't vehicles.

Bikes, sure if they are taken as wazdakkas troop choices. Taken as their normal fast attack option its iffy! Now on that note... seeing that they are classed as Jetbikes (yet NOT vehicles), could deffkoptas be used to score?!
My instincts say no due to them being a fast attack option, but hey ya never know!?

Bikes only count as scoring if Wazdakka is one HQ as Skarshak mentioned. Also if they are biker nobz they would count as scoring if there is a warboss. Those are the only two ways bikes can be scoring units. For Orks that is.

Skarshak wrote:Bikes, sure if they are taken as wazdakkas troop choices. Taken as their normal fast attack option its iffy! Now on that note... seeing that they are classed as Jetbikes (yet NOT vehicles), could deffkoptas be used to score?!
My instincts say no due to them being a fast attack option, but hey ya never know!?

Deff Kopters are not troop units and can never be taken as such. So, they can not hold objectives. They CAN, however, contest them.

Eric

My deffkoptas are masters of contesting, thats for sure! Actually their pretty good at being thorn in anyones side!


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Infreak wrote:Bikes only count as scoring if Wazdakka is one HQ as Skarshak mentioned. Also if they are biker nobz they would count as scoring if there is a warboss. Those are the only two ways bikes can be scoring units. For Orks that is.

The Warboss being Wazdakka ofcorse!?!

No, wazdakka is not considered a warboss.

Wazdakka *is* a warboss. He has his own Waaagh, and it says so on page 96. He's "Da Bike Boss."

As a Warboss, he allows you to take the unit of Nobs as troops.

Eric

Wazdakka does not even have the Waaagh! special rule in my codex and the Ork FAQ says it should be deleted if it is there. Only a plain Warboss or Ghazghkull Thraka have "The Big Boss" rule which lets them take a Nob unit as a troop choice.

So what if he doesn't have the "Waaagh" rule?
NOTHING on bikes has it.

I may have remembered the "Big boss" rule incorrectly, but I checked my codex. It CLEARLY describes him as a Warboss. Even without the special rule, he's still a Warboss (with his own Waaagh named after him, even).

Eric

I misunderstood your point about the his personal Waaagh!
I now see that you were referring to the fluff waaagh which in my opinion has even less influence on this rule debate.
If you want to go there, nowhere in his codex entry (pg 60) is the word Warboss ever used.
He is called a warboss once in the fluff box on pg 25.
I don't see how you can say that this clearly describes him as a warboss in terms of the RULES for warbosses...

No, he's not a Warboss for rules purposes. He gets to make bikers scoring, but not Nobs as well.

Moving to YMDC.

Wazdakka is not a Warboss - he's a Big Mek.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Wazdakka is not a Warboss - he's a Big Mek.

He's not that either (unless you're using fluff terms, and I don't think that's the issue here )

He allows you to take Warbikers as Troops, and that's it. Not Nobz, MANZ, or Deff Dreads.

However, you CAN take a Warboss IN ADDITION to Wazzy, and then take a single squad of Nobz (stick them on bikes if you want!) or MANZ.

He is a Warboss.

Clarification:
I'm not talking about the Warboss RULES. I'm just talking about the character himself.
Keep in mind, guys, that special rules vary for special characters. Just because he doesn't have the "Big Boss" ability, it doesn't make him any LESS a Warboss. It just means he doesn't get to benefit from that rule.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:He is a Warboss.

Clarification:
I'm not talking about the Warboss RULES. I'm just talking about the character himself.

I can accept that, but you actually said that he does make a Nob unit troops which isn't true.

MagickalMemories wrote:Wazdakka *is* a warboss. He has his own Waaagh, and it says so on page 96. He's "Da Bike Boss."

As a Warboss, he allows you to take the unit of Nobs as troops.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:He is a Warboss.

Clarification:
I'm not talking about the Warboss RULES. I'm just talking about the character himself.
Keep in mind, guys, that special rules vary for special characters. Just because he doesn't have the "Big Boss" ability, it doesn't make him any LESS a Warboss. It just means he doesn't get to benefit from that rule.

Eric

Then why are you continually yelling about it in a rules discussion in the rules forum?
The question obviously doesn't pertain to his fluff, and you are muddying the issue with incorrect and misleading information.

MagickalMemories wrote:He is a Warboss.

Clarification:
I'm not talking about the Warboss RULES. I'm just talking about the character himself.
Keep in mind, guys, that special rules vary for special characters. Just because he doesn't have the "Big Boss" ability, it doesn't make him any LESS a Warboss. It just means he doesn't get to benefit from that rule.

Eric

Fluffwise, he's a Big Mek. He makes his own super-kustomized bike and he can use the Mek's Tools. His name has Mek in it. He is a battle leader but Big Meks running the show isn't unheard of.

Crimson Cobra wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:He is a Warboss.

Clarification:
I'm not talking about the Warboss RULES. I'm just talking about the character himself.

I can accept that, but you actually said that he does make a Nob unit troops which isn't true.

I did, and later responded that I was mistaken.
I'm not above admitting when I'm wrong.*

Gorkamorka wrote:
Then why are you continually yelling about it in a rules discussion in the rules forum?
The question obviously doesn't pertain to his fluff, and you are muddying the issue with incorrect and misleading information.

Now, no need to be all confrontational. Although the internet adds a certain amount of anonymity that makes it easy to be pissy at people and use loaded phrases like, "why are you continually yelling about it," it doesn't mean you should lower yourself to fall into that trap. Especially when I haven't been yelling.
No need to get your panties in a twist. It's a simple, civil, conversation.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Fluffwise, he's a Big Mek. He makes his own super-kustomized bike and he can use the Mek's Tools. His name has Mek in it. He is a battle leader but Big Meks running the show isn't unheard of.

Didn't seem right to me.
I mean, yes. He built his own bike. A MEK, though?
He seems far too tough for that!

So, I took a look at the codex.
Sure enough, part of his wargear is Mek's Tools.
Well, son of a...
*Looks like I was wrong (see above).

So, to clarify, I'm stating that he is not -by rules or fluff- a Warboss. I was incorrect about that.
Thanks, MSP, for pointing it out in such a plain, friendly manner.

Now, if more people online could (a) discuss things instead of arguing and (b) admit when they're wrong, there would be a lot less need for and :eyeroll: emoticons. KWIM?

Eric

Page 96 - Ork Codex: In regards to the rules Wazdakka Gutsmek is an HQ, he may not have the Waaagh! special ability, but he still classes as an HQ! hell going by what he does have... like he needs the Waaagh! special rule!

Page 60 - Ork Codex: In terms of the fluff for Wazdakka, He's become a legend among the Orkz and is on the way to leading his own Waaagh! He's bringing every Spped Freak he comes across under his banner and time will tell when they ride off across the galaxy!

There! Its settled! Game on everyone!

The Waaagh special rule wouldn't do anything for him, as Bikes can't Fleet.

Rather, the Fleet special rule wouldn't do anything, as Bikes can't run.

Too true! By the time the Waaagh! is called they are already making a mess of things on the other side of the board!