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With MKII having come out, I thought it'd be a good time to get into the game. For my first purchase I bought regular style Allister Caine (new model version ftw!). My question is what would you guys suggest be my next couple of purchases. I'll also admit that I bought Epic Victoria Haley because its goddamn beautiful, but plan on using Allister as my main warcaster as I start learning the game.

Any help would be awesome

caine is a decent buff type caster. he really likes to be mid to backfield unless your going to utilize his feat to clear out a load of infantry. dont bank on his feat to win you games by itself, think of it more as a damage control element to use if your lines have been overrun.

that being said he has 3 staple buff spells. he likes his ranged units, so gun mages and black 13th will be obvious choices. long gunners also love deadeye, making them hit DEF 15 on average on the move and DEF 17 when they stand still. i would recommend either a unit of long gunners or tempest gum mages to get started with units. black 13th need a bit of finesse to get working right, and they have a pretty harsh stigman so experienced players will devote proper assets to killing them early.

as far as jacks, since caine is only FOC 6 and should always have 2 on him to pop teleport to get away from any threats, your going to want to focus efficent jacks. i always liked the charger, for one focus you booast the hit and damage. the hunter is good for jack hunting.

one last thing, and always keep this in your mind, boosted POW 12's kill casters. if you find a window, dont be afraid to whip your balls out, move caine 7 inches and dump 4 shots into the enemy warcaster. if you canp your focus you can get 4 shots, all with boosted damage rolls.

in summary, i recommend picking up:

a unit of either long gunners or gun mages
a charger/ hunter
a beatstick jack (ironclad/stormclad)
rangers
journeyman warcaster (to keep arcane shield on caine, since he is very squishy)
squire/reinholt (as per cyngar usual)

I give similar advice to the studdering dave. You need:
- rangers to give +2 to hitting with shooting,
- long gunners or gun mages for infantry killing (long gunners are more static option so I would go with gun mages)
- some utility solos: reinholdt for extra shot and squire for extra focus
- and lastly jacks. Hunter and defender can deal with heavy armor targets from range, charger is also ok for ranged threat and then either ironclad, stormclad or ol rowdy for melee beatings

Is Reinholdt worth it with Caine?

Wouldn't he be too busy teleporting to keep the gobber handy?

A member of my regular Warmachine group uses Caine frequently and I can say (having played with him on a team and against him), he is a great 'caster killer. You have to watch the board for the right avenue and instant to unleash his wrath, but if you're crafty and keen-eyed, you'll get in there and mess up all but Terminus with 42 ARM.

The Caine-player in my group brings Gun Mages all the time. He also prefers a Journeyman 'caster, a Hunter, a Charger and then some bits in between (one or two heavy 'jacks that vary greatly).

Thanks for the advice guys, every little bit helps.

StormHalo wrote:A member of my regular Warmachine group uses Caine frequently and I can say (having played with him on a team and against him), he is a great 'caster killer. You have to watch the board for the right avenue and instant to unleash his wrath, but if you're crafty and keen-eyed, you'll get in there and mess up all but Terminus with 42 ARM.

The Caine-player in my group brings Gun Mages all the time. He also prefers a Journeyman 'caster, a Hunter, a Charger and then some bits in between (one or two heavy 'jacks that vary greatly).

"great 'caster killer" is a bit of a stretch, POW12 works against a fair number of casters, but with no way around ARM buffs and focus camping it falls short alot. I will say this much about Caine, if he has an "Oh crap" moment and realizes the kill isn't happening he does have the plan B option of Teleport. Also with pCaine there aren't many avenues to watch, the most he can do is move, then open fire. eCaine has alot more options for the kill thanks to Gunfighter and Gate Crasher.

I was probably channeling the games I've had against eCaine - he IS a great 'caster killer.

pCaine can do a fair amount of damage too and is a buff bot for a shooty army.

"I'm casting Gate Crasher"

"What's that?"

"It puts my caster next to yours and lets me shoot them to death"

"Oh"


It was therapudic next game when I killed him with a MHSF and Ravyn on the bottom of 1

To get a feel for the game, buy some plastic warjack kits, and put the arms on with magnets (you can look around the web - there are even you tube videos that give you a how to guide). Being able to change the arms out on these guys will give you great flexibility. Maybe two light warjacks and one heavy or starters.

Sorry but I'm in the same boat as the poster, but I havn't bought anything yet. Could someone with some experience please help me with a good army to start with and what my first few buys should be. Anything can really help.