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This whole thing is causing a big fuss at the moment stateside.

Now, ill concede it is kinda.. you know.. harsh.

Im a pretty centre/left leaning conservative guy as your all aware, im not a religious man, im gay friendly, and i think that generally you should be allowed to do whatever you want as long as it doesnt hurt a third party, i think civilians owning assualt rifles is absurd...but i digress.

Whats THAT wrong with it? Surely the people shouting the most loudly are the illegals right? People like me would just be.. a little uncomfortable with it but see it as a necessary evil wouldnt they?

The reason i have a loathing for all the "red" left leaning dakkites (and an equal one for all the right wing nutters i must add!) is because i find hippies to be generally staggeringly hypocritical. I mean, i dislike animal testing, but id never be one of these smelly eco warriors fire bombing a scientists house because i know that if my 6 year old nephew got sick and i could heal him with drugs that were animal tested, then i would.

I dislike fox hunting, but all the farmers seem to be for it, so who am i to tell them otherwise when i live in a city?

Anyway...

My girlfriend told me this big yarn about how she got rear ended by a mexican guy, he used her cell phone to call his American girlfriend, who then showed up and said "he doesnt have insurance, so say i was driving or you get nothing" and she refused and told the cops the actual story as the mexican dudes missus was in the process of lying through her teeth, and this caused this big scene at which point the illegal semi literate guy got aggressive with her.

The (badly worded i concede, i was on the piss for three days forgive my aching brain) point im getting at, is, isnt it easy for people like us to make a statement when it doesnt affect us?

I know for a fact that there is no shortage of hand wringing liberals on here who are just going to start shouting about how it is a "nazi" law and such, but isnt mine a valid point? Its easy for me to condemn it, im sitting pretty in Yorkshire. But if i was there, in Arizona, and illegal immgration was causing huge issues with regards to many areas of my life, the local infrastructure and social cohesion, then, i think id would apprehensively support it. Isnt it a necessary ill?

Anyone who lives there on dakka and wants to give their feelings on the matter? I find the current debate very interesting, as i think i find it rather distateful, but would support it anyway if i was living there. Thoughts?

Im too lazy to look for a link...

Basically the police can pull people over for no reason and ask to see their papers.

Soladrin, see above.

So Kanlu you are against it then?

My point is, i can see its a bit harsh, but what else can you do?

If a 5 foot 9 hairy guy with a Middlesbrough accent blew up a bus or something, then id expect to get pulled over. I would deal with it, if i havent done anything, then ive nothing to fear.

If you are legally in Arizona, then its no big deal showing them. If i was there on holiday and a copper asked to see some ID i know id say "sure mate!" give him my passport and say "Aye im on holiday" and it wouldnt be a problem.

I think its a tad harsh too, but what else is the solution? As i said, it seems a pretty sensible thing to do if you ask me.

agnosto wrote:
Dude, have you even been to Yuma? It's more Mexican than American, no matter what the map says....more so than Brownsville.

The only thing I'd be concerned about is some poor schmuck leaves his house without his ID to walk down to the corner store and buy a candy bar then gets picked up by a cop on a mission from gawd to nail all dem der illegalz to the wall. Said poor schmuck looks brown, doesn't have ID on him and then finds himself in Juarez with $5 and no way to get back home.

http://stateswithoutnations.blogspot.com/2009/04/us-kidnaps-mark-lyttle-leaves-him.html

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-07-27/news/17218849_1_judy-rabinovitz-immigration-laws-illegal-immigrant

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/01/24/25392/immigration-officials-detaining.html

My point is, if the feds screw up so much and deport US citizens, when local yokels have the ability, it's going to be much, much worse.

Ok thats a good argument against at least.

Not all English are 'proper'? In Middlesbrough, none of them are. There was a posh bloke lived here in about 1989, but we ate him. :-)

Fateweaver wrote:It doesn't override peoples rights. If I must sit through being carded (assuming I was a legal immigrant in AZ) because a law is in place that ensures the rights and safety of everyone in the state that are here legally or are citizens than I'd have no problem with it.

Again, it's only a problem because people want to make it a problem.

Yeah card away boys. Thats my motto.

I got my backpack searched going through Leeds station a few years back when i was on leave, i was a serving royal marine with short hair, no sideys and a military ID and they still demanded to search it. I went through the charade (how many white english soldiers have blown themselves up on trains?) with no issues. Doesnt bother me. As long as it means they are pulling over the people they should be.

I despair of how PC and ineffectual our security forces are in Europe. I actually admire the guts of the red states in the USA for passing this slightly militant law. Rightly or wrongly its firm action at least.

If it wasnt for the fact that so many of you guys are gun crazy science denying God botherers who make me take my passport out for ID when i want a pint i think id move.

As it stands.. well.. i guess i just dont fit in anywhere!

I still say id have voted for McCain if he didnt have that zany VP of his...

I digress. I think id be all for this law if i was an Arizonian.