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2010/04/28 03:48:46
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/03/georgias-senate-finally-passes-bill-requiring-seat-belts-in-pickup-trucks.html
After years of debate, the Georgia Senate finally approved legislation requiring the use of seat belts for people in pickup trucks.
Until now, the Peach State only required passengers in the front seats of cars, vans and SUVs to buckle up. The hold-up on the measure came from Georgia's rural legislators, who argue that wearing a seat belt is an inconvenience for farmers and farm workers who frequently hop in and out of their pickups as they tend the fields. They also say there is too little traffic on Georgia's backcountry farm roads to worry about the risk of colliding with another vehicle.
The new bill, which the Senate approved on a 45-2 vote, exempts off-road vehicles and pickups used for farming.
According to the Georgia Senate, more than two-thirds of pickup truck-related deaths resulted from passengers not wearing a seat belt in an accident. Requiring seat-belt use is expected to save $25 million in Medicaid costs over a 10-year period. Georgia also would become eligible for federal highway funding assistance that is being withheld until the seat-belt gap is closed.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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2010/04/28 04:05:42
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Hold the feth up. I cant ride in the back of a pickup anymore? Is that what:
Until now, the Peach State only required passengers in the front seats of cars, vans and SUVs to buckle up.
means? As in: after now everyone has to have a fething seatbelt. Thats some bs man. How am I gonna get back from my local county high school football game with two underage females when I am totally hammered drunk? Not like we can all fit in my buddy's pickup cab. See this is what happened when you pass health care and try to prevent cops from racially profiling mexicans, first its the pickups, next its the guns, then itll be our thoughts and confederate flags.
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2010/04/28 04:12:04
Subject: Re:Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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I've never understood how people get laws so screwed up.
Okay, I get that's it is impractical and annoying to require farmers hopping in and out of their pickups to wear seatbelts, and wouldn't help safety much when there's no-one else on the roads out there. But why would that mean exempting pickups? Wouldn't you just exempt people in rural areas working on their farms?
I mean, if you want a group of people to be exempted from a law, you exempt those people. You don't exempt a type of thing that loosely correlates with that group.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2010/04/28 04:36:19
Subject: Re:Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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sebster wrote:I've never understood how people get laws so screwed up.
Okay, I get that's it is impractical and annoying to require farmers hopping in and out of their pickups to wear seatbelts, and wouldn't help safety much when there's no-one else on the roads out there. But why would that mean exempting pickups? Wouldn't you just exempt people in rural areas working on their farms?
I mean, if you want a group of people to be exempted from a law, you exempt those people. You don't exempt a type of thing that loosely correlates with that group.
I'm going to vote for you in 2012.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
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2010/04/28 05:00:35
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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That's why you drive pickups that were built before seatbelts were put in vehicles.
Can't make you wear one if it's not there. 
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 05:05:25
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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They can render the vehicle illegal by virtue of a cut-off year.
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2010/04/28 05:32:07
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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They haven't yet nor would MN ever. For being a liberal state it's not all bad. They just need to do something about the welfare leeches and res rejects but that won't happen so long as we (everyone but I) keep voting for liberal governors.
In fact over a certain age you can get a collector plate. Insurance is cheaper, it's as legal as a modern car and you are totally immune to any traffic laws pertaining to equipment not installed in the vehicle in the factory.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 05:46:01
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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You know what? People should be able to get a permit that allows them to not wear a seatbelt. Then the fees for it can go to pay off everyone who doesn't have one, and has to pay for liability insurance. Also, children can't get them.
What do you think Dakka? Yea or neigh?
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
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2010/04/28 05:46:37
Subject: Re:Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm going to vote for you in 2012.
So that's what's going to end the world. I have been wondering. Automatically Appended Next Post: Fateweaver wrote:In fact over a certain age you can get a collector plate. Insurance is cheaper, it's as legal as a modern car and you are totally immune to any traffic laws pertaining to equipment not installed in the vehicle in the factory.
And in second after your head on crash, as you sail through front windscreen and fly head first into the tarmac you can joy that your last words were 'take that nanny state!'
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2010/04/28 05:49:59
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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I'd vote for Seb only under the condition he live in Mn for a period of no less than 12 months.
I think Presidents should be picked on who could survive a Mn winter with no outside help and just the bare necessities...you know? a kettle, some firewood, pork and beans, a tent, some gloves and a stocking cap.
If he survives a Mn winter he's President. Automatically Appended Next Post: sebster wrote:Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm going to vote for you in 2012.
So that's what's going to end the world. I have been wondering.
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Fateweaver wrote:In fact over a certain age you can get a collector plate. Insurance is cheaper, it's as legal as a modern car and you are totally immune to any traffic laws pertaining to equipment not installed in the vehicle in the factory.
And in second after your head on crash, as you sail through front windscreen and fly head first into the tarmac you can joy that your last words were 'take that nanny state!'
Actually, the pickups I've driven in the 40's and 50's weighed more than most modern pickups, built of steel on top of steel. Anything short of a tractor/trailer will careen off like a pinball.
Not to mention 50+ years ago they didn't deem it necessary to equip vehicles with seatbelts. Not as many cars on the road but still enough to possibly been a concern then.
Also nothing like shifting my way up through 6 gears of V8 International power, with a stylish body to boot, knowing that I have the power to pull everything, including a tractor/trailer (empty) out of a ditch or embankment.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 06:29:32
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Fateweaver wrote:They haven't yet nor would MN ever.
Yes, they have. Any vehicle made after 1965 must have a safety belt if it is to be legal in Minnesota. Automatically Appended Next Post: Fateweaver wrote:I'd vote for Seb only under the condition he live in Mn for a period of no less than 12 months.
I lived through 4 of those, and I'm closer to American Conservative than he is. Would you vote for me?
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2010/04/28 06:48:38
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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You survived so I'd probably vote for you.
You weren't originally from Oz though.
I'm also talking vehicles PRE-1965 Dogma. With the exception of a few good muscle cars (Mustang, Nova SS, Charger) most cars from 60's to 80's were gak.
My bro and I only collect pre-1960.
He had a '56 International 4x4 that drove like a tank, topped out slightly faster than a tank (55 downhill with a tail wind) but was made so durable that anytime he hit a deer it merely dinged the body.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 06:49:15
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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dogma wrote:Would you vote for me?
Only if you make a Department of Whiskey, and name me Secretary of Scotch....
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2010/04/28 06:52:29
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Fateweaver wrote:You survived so I'd probably vote for you.
More importantly, I have caught an eelpout.
Fateweaver wrote:
With the exception of a few good muscle cars (Mustang, Nova SS, Charger) most cars from 60's to 80's were gak.
My dad's '70 Chevelle SS 454 is very angry with you. Automatically Appended Next Post: JEB_Stuart wrote:Only if you make a Department of Whiskey, and name me Secretary of Scotch....
Well duh. It would be my second Presidential order. Right after the one mandating a rum ration for all US citizens over the age of 6.
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2010/04/28 06:58:08
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Fateweaver wrote:I'd vote for Seb only under the condition he live in Mn for a period of no less than 12 months.
I think Presidents should be picked on who could survive a Mn winter with no outside help and just the bare necessities...you know? a kettle, some firewood, pork and beans, a tent, some gloves and a stocking cap.
If he survives a Mn winter he's President.
:reads:
:looks outside, it's approaching winter here and it's 25'C with a bright blue sky:
Any other way to get your vote? Give you my first born, maybe?
Actually, the pickups I've driven in the 40's and 50's weighed more than most modern pickups, built of steel on top of steel. Anything short of a tractor/trailer will careen off like a pinball.
Fair point, but what about a building?
Not to mention 50+ years ago they didn't deem it necessary to equip vehicles with seatbelts. Not as many cars on the road but still enough to possibly been a concern then.
People were more accepting of road deaths. Given how many less cars there were on the roads the road toll was horrendous.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2010/04/28 06:59:36
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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dogma wrote:Fateweaver wrote:You survived so I'd probably vote for you.
More importantly, I have caught an eelpout.
Fateweaver wrote:
With the exception of a few good muscle cars (Mustang, Nova SS, Charger) most cars from 60's to 80's were gak.
My dad's '70 Chevelle SS 454 is very angry with you.
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JEB_Stuart wrote:Only if you make a Department of Whiskey, and name me Secretary of Scotch....
Well duh. It would be my second Presidential order. Right after the one mandating a rum ration for all US citizens over the age of 6.
Hmm. You not only know eelpout you caught one. Maybe you aren't such a bad guy afterall (or maybe I'm drunk to be saying that). LOL.
I want public Yukon Jack fountains, right next to the water fountains.
3 months ago I had the chance to buy a '72 Gran Torino (no, not the one from the movie). Shame I was jobless with gakky credit.
25C isn't cold. Subtract 50 degrees and then we'll start negotiations. Let me know if Oz ever reaches -50C and then we'll discuss your eligibility.
Have no intention of crashing a classic truck or car into a building anytime soon so I'm sure that's irrelevant. Depends too on what building is made out of.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 07:13:02
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Fateweaver wrote:
Hmm. You not only know eelpout you caught one. Maybe you aren't such a bad guy afterall (or maybe I'm drunk to be saying that). LOL.
I want public Yukon Jack fountains, right next to the water fountains.
YJ was my lifeblood in college. It was the only thing we could get, of sufficient proof, for the manufacture of ECP.
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3 months ago I had the chance to buy a '72 Gran Torino (no, not the one from the movie). Shame I was jobless with gakky credit.
My buddy just bought a '70 Nova for 4,500. Damn thing is rusted out like Pamela Anderson, but the body panels were worth the price.
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2010/04/28 07:19:34
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Nova's are excellent cars. My mom had a '73. Unfortunately it was gak brown in color but damn nice car. Though I only remember it being cool because I was like 6 at the time.
My dad used to pick me up from Jr. High in his 1970 DeVille. Exact same car as Boss Hoggs (from the tv series), minus the steer horns on the front.
I wish he would have hung onto it. I'd be rolling in style today.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 07:25:40
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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I'm in a similar position. My dad had a '69 Galaxy 500 that he sold right before I was born. Though, apparently, it helped pay for my education, so I can't complain.
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2010/04/28 07:28:56
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Oooh.
A few classics running around Bemidji here. Car shows are like my other means of achieving nerdgasm when I'm not nerdgasming to 40K night.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 07:31:41
Subject: Re:Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dude, you need to make a pilgrimage to this place. It was my Mecca in high school.
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2010/04/28 07:34:08
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Just might do that.
I normally hit up the Bemidji and Grand Rapids (MN, not Michigan) car shows.
I also like the Fast and Furious type cars so I usually hit up the Club Redline car show in the Fargodome every August. Some of those cars get me needing to whip out the lotion and spend time in the restroom. Know what I mean Vern?
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 08:03:58
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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See, mention a sweet car and you become King Solomon!
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2010/04/28 08:07:58
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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At least we aren't derailing threads in argument.
I think the universe just imploded.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 08:27:21
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Fateweaver wrote:25C isn't cold. Subtract 50 degrees and then we'll start negotiations. Let me know if Oz ever reaches -50C and then we'll discuss your eligibility.
Nah dude, 25C is lovely, and we're meant to be on the eve of Winter. I don't think I'd cope with actual cold.
Have no intention of crashing a classic truck or car into a building anytime soon so I'm sure that's irrelevant. Depends too on what building is made out of.
Very few crashes involve people intending to crash.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2010/04/28 08:36:45
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I suppose Walmart could just jump out in front of me.
Wonder if I could sue Walmart for gross negligence in that case?
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 09:39:08
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Fateweaver wrote:I suppose Walmart could just jump out in front of me.
Wonder if I could sue Walmart for gross negligence in that case?
Only if you survived because you were wearing a seatbelt.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2010/04/28 17:42:36
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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Well, I like driving those classic trucks and cars.
If the man upstairs wants me at his side a seatbelt won't save me.
Plus it's just wrong from a nostalgic and aesthetic stance to add after market seatbelts to a vehicle never meant to have them.
I'm risking my life but damn if I won't be driving some of the hottest cars on the road. 
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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2010/04/28 17:57:31
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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IMO anyone who doesn't wear them has a screw loose..
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2010/04/28 20:26:08
Subject: Unfair law in Georgia fixed
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I wear them when I can but if the vehicle I'm driving doesn't have them I've got no choice.
That and I'm pretty sure a rope tied around my midsection and then wrapped around the seat does not a seatbelt make.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
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