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hey guys, this is my first post. im new to eldar and have been tweeking out a list for a tournament coming up, i appreciate your feedback in advance here is the list :
2500 Pts - Eldar Roster

HQ: Farseer (1#, 130 pts)
1 Farseer @ 130 pts ((; Guide ; Mind War ; ; Ghosthelm; Rune Armour; Runes of Warding; Spirit Stones; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)

HQ: Avatar (1
1 Avatar @ ((pp.24 & 61 Eldar); U

Elite: Wraithguard (7#, 350 pts)
5 Wraithguard @ 350 pts ((pp.46 & 62 Eldar); ; Wraithcannon x5)
1 Wave Serpent ((pp.45 & 63 Eldar); Unit Type: Vehicle (; TL Shuriken Catapults; TL Bright Lances)
1 Warlock ((p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); ; Rune Armour; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)

Elite: Fire Dragons (8#, 259 pts)
6 Fire Dragons @ 259 pts ((pp.32 & 62 Eldar); ; Fusion Gun; Melta Bombs)
1 Fire Dragon Exarch (F; Dragon's Breath Flamer; Melta Bombs)
1 Wave Serpent ((pp.45 & 63 Eldar); Unit Type: Vehicle (; TL Shuriken Catapults; TL Bright Lances)

Troops: Guardians (11#, 135 pts)
10 Guardians @ 135 pts ((p.39 & p.64 Eldar); ; Shuriken Catapult x10)
1 Warlock ((p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar);; Rune Armour; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)
1 Weapon Platform (Scatter Laser)

Troops: Guardians (11#, 135 pts)
10 Guardians @ 135 pts ((p.39 & p.64 Eldar); ; Shuriken Catapult x10)
1 Warlock ((p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); ; Rune Armour; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)
1 Weapon Platform (Scatter Laser)

Troops: Dire Avengers (11#, 292 pts)
9 Dire Avengers @ 292 pts ((pp.30 & 64 Eldar); F Avenger S-Catapult)
1 Dire Avenger Exarch ( Bladestorm ; Diresword; Shuriken Pistol)
1 Wave Serpent ((pp.45 & 63 Eldar); Unit Type: Vehicle (; TL Shuriken Catapults; TL Bright Lances)

Troops: Dire Avengers (11#, 292 pts)
9 Dire Avengers @ 292 pts ((pp.30 & 64 Eldar); FAvenger S-Catapult)
1 Dire Avenger Exarch (F Bladestorm ; Diresword; Shuriken Pistol)
1 Wave Serpent ((pp.45 & 63 Eldar); Unit Type: Vehicle (); ; TL Shuriken Catapults; TL Bright Lances)

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (10#, 240 pts)
10 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 240 pts ((pp.38 & 64 Eldar);Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol x10; Ranger Long Rifle)

Heavy Support: Dark Reapers (5#, 217 pts)
4 Dark Reapers @ 217 pts ((pp.34 & 66 Eldar); Reaper Launcher)
1 Dark Reaper Exarch ( Crack Shot ; Tempest Launcher)

Heavy Support: Support Weapon Battery (10#, 130 pts)
3 Support Weapon Battery @ 130 pts ); D-cannon)
6 Guardians (Shuriken Catapult x6)
1 Warlock ((p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); Rune Armour; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)

Heavy Support: Wraithlord (1#, 160 pts)
1 Wraithlord @ 160 pts ((pp.47 & 66 Eldar); Unit Type:; Flamer x2; Bright Lance; Starcannon)

ok thats it, thanks again guys.

Many people really get disappointed by the way their wraithguard perform.

At 2500 you should have at least 2 Fire Dragon Squads if not 3. That being said I'd drop the wraithguard to pick up another Fire Dragon squad.

At 2500 Eldrad is a very nice HQ. If you don't pick him up I'd consider dropping Mind War and getting Doom instead. Runes of Witnessing is also nice.

Pathfinders also tend to under perform for me. If you do play them be careful with people assaulting you and flaming you.

Are you putting any abilities on the warlocks?

I'd drop the star cannons on the Wraithlord for something like Scatter Lasers.

EDIT: I accidentally hit submit.

Dark Reapers are nice, but I found Fire Prisms are much more versatile(Anti Horde and Anti Tank).

When you have 1 Fire Prism its always a good idea to use 2(For the Twin Linking), so I'd drop the Support Weapon Battery for another Fire Prism.

Another thing I'd look into is getting some War Walkers with Scatter Lasers. A squad of 3 is 180 points and it puts out 24 strength 6 shots. Putting a Farseer near them with guide is VERY awesome.


I do not see a lot of synergy with your list the way it is. As it is right now it's kind of a hodgepodge of Mech and Foot.

Units that I think would help your synergy would be War Walkers, Warp Spiders, and Guardian Jetbikes. Guardian Jetbikes can get you 3 more Strength 6 shots and a warlock. They're also nice for snagging objectives last minute. The warp spiders are rather nice harassment units. In a foot army they'd go nice. As I stated above War Walkers are generally very nice. In the matches I've played the War Walkers generally pay for themselves(bet I just jinxed myself).

You definatly need to either put in Eldrad instead of the Farseer or drop the Avatar for another Farseer because alot of people dont relize it but eldar need those psychic power rollin in to work effectivly otherwise they wont usually kill there points worth.

And trust me always make sure you Farseers have Doom its well worth the 25pts

Elite: Wraithguard (7#, 350 pts)
5 Wraithguard @ 350 pts ((pp.46 & 62 Eldar); ; Wraithcannon x5)
1 Wave Serpent ((pp.45 & 63 Eldar); Unit Type: Vehicle (; TL Shuriken Catapults; TL Bright Lances)
1 Warlock ((p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); ; Rune Armour; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)

Elite: Fire Dragons (8#, 259 pts)
6 Fire Dragons @ 259 pts ((pp.32 & 62 Eldar); ; Fusion Gun; Melta Bombs)
1 Fire Dragon Exarch (F; Dragon's Breath Flamer; Melta Bombs)
1 Wave Serpent ((pp.45 & 63 Eldar); Unit Type: Vehicle (; TL Shuriken Catapults; TL Bright Lances)

I'd take three units of 5 or 6 Fire Dragons mounted in Serpents with stones and shuricannons.

Heavy Support: Dark Reapers (5#, 217 pts)
4 Dark Reapers @ 217 pts ((pp.34 & 66 Eldar); Reaper Launcher)
1 Dark Reaper Exarch ( Crack Shot ; Tempest Launcher)

Heavy Support: Support Weapon Battery (10#, 130 pts)
3 Support Weapon Battery @ 130 pts ); D-cannon)
6 Guardians (Shuriken Catapult x6)
1 Warlock ((p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); Rune Armour; Shuriken Pistol; Witchblade)

Heavy Support: Wraithlord (1#, 160 pts)
1 Wraithlord @ 160 pts ((pp.47 & 66 Eldar); Unit Type:; Flamer x2; Bright Lance; Starcannon)

Static units do not really fit into a list with several Serpents.
I'd consider three Fire Prims.

Gaaah, my eyes! Please just write the units and any upgrades, don't copypaste from a program which includes all the inbuilt equipment etc.

10 pathfinders would be better off as 2x5. It's another chance to pin, and by deploying them in 2 widely seperated locations you become less vulnerable to flamers/assault, which are the key weakness of that unit.

I think your heavy support is messed up - D-cannons (should be 175 points by my reckoning, also) are 24" range artillery right? I think that makes them about as fragile a unit as any in the game - I would replace these, maybe with another wraithlord?

If you replaced the dark reapers (good, but highly specialised and fragile) with yet another wraithlord, I think your list would be more coherent. It'd also give you enough points to upgrade 1 guardian squad to storm guardians in a wave serpent. With 2 flamers and a destructor warlock, these fulfill the same anti-troop role, and are a lot more mobile and resilient.

roops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (10#, 240 pts)
10 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 240 pts ((pp.38 & 64 Eldar);Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol x10; Ranger Long Rifle)

I'd split the Pathfinders into two units of 5.
Its easier to find cover for 5 than for 10 men, and two units can take on different targets.

ah, thanks for the insight lads!

i do have warwalkers, 9 of them with scatter lasers, but i dont have another unit fire dragons or else i would put them in i really like them =D, also sorry bout the copy paste, im at work which makes things difficult but i will try to keep it down to a bare minimum next time i promise!my idea for the list was to flank with the serpents, and surge forward with guardians and the wraithlord covering the avatar to take center with the farseer walking behind the war walkers casting guide, i see your point about doom so it will be added.
i agree, there is not much synergy in the list,but im trying to build out of the models i currently own, which sadly seems like my purchases were ill advised. no worries though! here are some questions i have:

1. i know the wraithlord is a poor choice as cool as he is, and as cool as a fire prism would be, i only have one, those things seems to work alot better in groups of 2,should i replace him with another unit of guardians? or maybe another unit of war walkers?

2.i really like the wraithguard, but i really want this list to be as good as i can get it, i do have a unit of howling banshee's and a unit of swooping hawks, i could replace them with but im unsure if either one is a better choice.


anyway, thanks agains boys for the insight, it is really appreciated, all of your posts have been very encouraging to me. ive learned more here listening to you than to the guys at my local shop. i feel a win coming my way!

Don't worry about the cut and paste. It's not as horrible as I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly makes it out to be, and saves you time, and you don't have to worry about missing something, and having people correct you on that.

Thats a good point!
ok so i tried to run this list.

The support batteries, - not bad, but so slow compared to the speed on the rest of the army, the same goes for the dark reapers.
Farseer/fortune Avatar = hard to kill avatar. it was a game changer vs. marines.
dire avengers/guardian = both did well.
pathfinders= five man squad was easy prey, however they gave alot of damage out, i think beefing the unit a little bit will make them a more viable unit.
wraithlord = screened for the avatar, died in the end but managed to kill a rhino and a predator, so not bad.

Overall it proved to be balanced, but dark reapers are on their way out to make room for either warwalkers or another wraithlord. also considering adding a unit of warlocks to the farseer, just to give em a few more wounds to allocate. or another unit of guardians with a heavy weapon platform.

On the Reapers and D-Cannon battery being slow... they shouldn't be moving lol. Neither can fire if they move. D-Cannon Battery honestly only does any good with deployment in Cover and fortune on them at all times. For the point cost of that though there is just better ways to go with Eldar Heavies. The guns are just simply too fragile and if your get assaulted its lights out for that pricey unit.

Reapers like stated above shouldn't be moving. A great trick for them is once again an attached farseer with fortune and guide, then surround the unit with harlequins. The reapers become a 3+ armor 4+ cover with reroll and reroll their to hits which means rerolls on your tempest launcher scatter. Once again though for the point cost there is better heavy options.

Both of these units have the same terrible flaw, they can't move and shoot. In a world were BA can assault on DS, bugs can tunnel under you, and everyone gets cover... you pretty much eat it unless you have a firebase supporting stand still units.

lol let me be clear - they didnt move, what i meant was the rest of the army was moving to fast, they couldnt kill fast enough to be any count, while my dire avengers were bladestorming and assualting, the dark reapers were looking for something to shoot. and spent about 3 turns that way. as much as i like the reapers, they got to go i cant agree more, they seem cool, but not enough of them, and they are a quick kill point for someone else. im thinking about trying out swooping hawks or howling banshee's, but im unsure about them.any thoughts?

by the way, thank you guys. I feel like a kid in a candy store. I appreciate all of the information. being new to Eldar there are so many ways the army can go, it seems very flexible but the blend must be right, with your help i feel like im heading down the right path.

Not a problem.(on the helping)

I've not used swooping hawks, but I hear that they're underwhelming.

You seem like you're positive the Reapers are leaving, I'd recommend removing the D Cannon as well.

By doing that you could throw in 3 War Walkers all with scatter lasers, and a Wraithlord with pretty much what ever build you want it to have and still be points below what you're at right now. Depending on the purpose I'd either give it a sword and just charge it as fast forward as possible, or I'd give it scatter lasers and a bright lance and have it shoot as it moves. As stated above I'd drop the star cannons on you're current Wraithlord and pick up something else.

Either way you gain some points. With those points I would go ahead and get spirit stones on the wave serpents. At the very least I'd get them on the fire dragon one.

You should get dire avengers instead of the guardian squads. Don't know if anyone has said this but they end up being cheaper then the guardian squad

Shatter.proof wrote:You should get dire avengers instead of the guardian squads. Don't know if anyone has said this but they end up being cheaper then the guardian squad

Do you mean Avengers on foot? Doing that would cause him to loose the Scatter Lasers. I never really thought about DA on foot though...

Also you never did mention any abilities on the warlocks, will there be any?

DA on foot are terrible, Terr-a-bleh.

Banshees are hit an miss, you really need doom on the target. You have to park you serpent near the target and assault the following turn. Most opponents will be smart enough to get away, but if you doo succeed you can kiss the enemy unit goodbye. Afterward your banshees will meet a gunfire death.

I run Hawks habitually, they are indeed underwhelming. Never take more then 4 w/ Exarch and Skyleap with your choice of Sunrifle or hawks talon. Looking at a minimum of 132 pts for 5 guys... that is more then a Fire Prism. What they do bring to the table is an unlimited range Large Blast S4 AP5 per turn (if you actually get your reserve rolls), Haywire grenades (if you get to use them your opponent has done something terribly wrong), and swarm fire end game to try to push an emey unit off an objective (no easy with S3 guns). Underwhelming for the point cost.

I don't much like either guardians nor dire avengers on foot.

If you want a troop choice isn't mounted in a wave serpent, you are almost always better off with Guardian Jetbikes or Pathfinders.

Pathfinders as has been discussed above, get bs4 and a 2+ cover save, and every member of the squad has a souped up sniper rifle. So unlike Defenders, you aren't paying 80 points for shurican weaponry that you never want to use and a single heavy weapon which fires at bs3...

Jetbikes, have t4, a 3+ armor save, awesome mobility, thier guns are twin linked, they can take a cannon, and they get an assault move. At 22 points a model, they can get pricey fast, but they have the mobility to keep up with an otherwise fast codex. They are also good for jsj with their cannon, and boosting to an objective at the end of the game, bring a jetlock with a spear, and you have the mobility to threaten medium tanks.

Honestly the only way to run guardians is storm squads with 2 flamers and a destructor lock in a wave serpent.

He is running an Avatar, as such guardians on foot is viable due to the fearless bubble. If you run them with a scatter laser the BS3 because less of an issue as well.

oh, all the warlocks have conceal, sorry bout that!

ive decided to use eldrad since he is pulling double farseer duty as im running an avatar.

i know your right about the d-cannons, i just want em to be cool, but sadly, they are going to have to go as well.

im already running two units of avengers in wave serpents using the wraithguard and fire dragons as support. its proving to be a very strong flank.

another wraithlord... man i do like those things. that may be a strong possibility.

Wraithlords your main danger is Long Fangs, Tau, or PK/PF. If any of those make contact with them kiss it goodbye.

That and every time I've ever taken them outta cover they've taken the blunt of every strong weapon the enemy army has...but that's kinda a good thing because it stops some shooting from hitting some actual tanks and what not.

Yup my fav config is Wraithsword and nothing else. Each shooting phase run them up further, being strategic of course. if they get gunned down, meh you lost 100pts. Mix that with Serpent/Prism offensive and you have just either distracted them from your tanks or your wraithlord is eating something.

110 points for a walking agro magnet(sword lord) isn't a bad deal. Conceals not a bad choice.

What are you thinking for the last heavy slot? Just noticed you said you have one Fire Prism. That's not a horrible idea, but I really do like the Scatter Walkers over 1 Fire Prism.

Never take a solo Prism.. ever. It's 100 pts for a Swordlord (90base + 10 fro sword), but yes you may get more milage out of Scatter Walkers.

lol...I miss read my codex XD (Swordlord price)

well i played another test game today against tyranids and lost, but i learned alot from the game, again! woot! training on Eldar lol.
here are the changes :

1.taking out the avatar and wraithguard for a unit of banshee's and a farseer to ride with em with doom and guide in a wave serpent.

2. removing the extra wraithlord, one with a brightlance and a starcannon seems to work well, ( sadly they die to hormangants really well now with the toxin sacs, OUCH!)
and replacing it with a unit of dark reapers with exarch, tempest launcher and crackshot/fastshot.

the new idea is to have a big firebase and a strong flank,

so two guardian squads with scatterlaser and warlock with conceal, next to warwalker squad of the three with 2 scatterlazers, 3 starcannon's and a rocket launcher, backed up by pathfinders, ( pathfinders did awesome! really killy, took down alot of medium/big bugs.) eldrad casting fortune on him and the pathfinders, then guide on the warwalkers and darkreapers or wraithlord with brightlance and starcannon.

The flank is 2 wave serpents with dire avengers, i tried out the shimmer shield but it didnt work to well . lol the 5+up just wasnt enough. and 1 waveserpent with banshees and farseer as stated above as well as 1 wave serpent with with firedragons and exarch.

this i think will be a pretty hard hitting list, i hate to lose the avatar just becuase him and eldrad together is such a great combo, but i really need at least 1 unit that will be mobile and closecombat oriented.

any thoughts on this are totally welcome! thanks again everyone, all of your thoughts and suggestions are invaluable and have helped shaped my army. i cannot wait to try again this weekend. =D

K is the nids player going to be something you commonly face? If so, no amount of CC is goign to help you there. Banshees will get their face eaten off by Nid or ork hordes, they simply can't put out enough attacks.

Why are you taking guide with banshees? You shouldn't be firing before you assault as it can cause your opponent to fall back and leave you there looking puzzled. +1 Power attack > s4 ap5 pistol shot.

Reapers vs nids is asking to get eaten. never take both fast shot and crack shot, they don't stack.

The wraithlord any be doing good for you, but something to think about. For 10 more points you can take a falcon with starcannon and holofields. For 20 more points you can take 3 warwalkers with 2 Scatterlaser each. the problem is while the Wraithlord may be decent with that gun loadout, you not need to analyze it's cost effectiveness.

I would rethink the banshees. As BlueDagger said, against a horde army like nids the banshees will get eaten. It's happened to me a few times, and then I stopped taking them.

i meant doom not guide,
thats good info on crackshot/fast shot issue. so far i have only played nid armies.

the banshee's wont be taking on an entire horde army themselves=D but there are time they become very effective, in spite of the recommendation im gonna try em out tommorrow, if it doesnt pan out im putting the avatar back in, him and eldrad are just really cool.

i hear you on the wraithlord and do have 3 more warwalkers i can field with scatterlasers as quick as they went down in that game... even the warwalkers lasted longer and with the ability to scout, it could add a little more flexibility.

I like to use Outflanking on my war walkers, and I find it helps to find cover with them as well.

ok played against a daemon army today- my first victory!

it was a tough game though, lots of shooty tzeentch.

the farseer with the banshee's managed to destroy the blood thirster thanks to doom.
fire dragons worked well, killed a soulgrinder.

the dire avengers were very forgiving even though i made a few mistakes, and took the brunt of the nasty shooting.
eldrad killed the tzeentch greater daemon and managed to mind war two units of flamers. he was awesome. also, guide on the warwalker ended up being deadly.

all in all, im learning the finesse playstyle of the army and thanks to you guys i feel like the list is almost where i want it to be.
i do have one more question, and again thank you guys for the feedback.
How do you feel about warp spiders? i have a unit of em, im debating thier entry.