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I was wondering if you can only take rhinos and drop pods if accompanied by a troops with that option. So my main question is can you just take a Drop pod with out the troops and or Bjorn with a drop pod even though it dosn't say he can take one?

Grey elder wrote: I was wondering if you can only take rhinos and drop pods if accompanied by a troops with that option. So my main question is can you just take a Drop pod with out the troops and or Bjorn with a drop pod even though it dosn't say he can take one?

The problem is, what would you count them as on your army list? they are designed for troop transport, and don't get me wrong i wouldn't mind being able to field a Razor Back or two for no reason other than mobile fire support. But there isn't a spot for them, do they go under Heavy? Troops?

and i am not sure about Bjorn and a Drop pod, i wouldn't see why not, if a dread can take one, but i don't own a SW Codex so please don't quote me on that.

hcordes wrote:

Grey elder wrote: I was wondering if you can only take rhinos and drop pods if accompanied by a troops with that option. So my main question is can you just take a Drop pod with out the troops and or Bjorn with a drop pod even though it dosn't say he can take one?

The problem is, what would you count them as on your army list?

The RAW say they do not take up any force orgizantion slots.

Also this question kind of originated from the Dark Angels codex faq but Iam still wondering about my original question .

Q. Can you use a Drop Pod on its own, with no
squad inside?
A. Yes you can.

Dark Angels codex FAQ

Grey elder wrote: I was wondering if you can only take rhinos and drop pods if accompanied by a troops with that option. So my main question is can you just take a Drop pod with out the troops and or Bjorn with a drop pod even though it dosn't say he can take one?

No, you can't. The only place that gives you permission to take them is accompanying a unit.

The FAQ is right but it's not about buying the transport, it's about using it. Nothing requires that a squad rides the transport they bought. You still need permission to buy those vehicles - which a squad with the option of a dedicated transport handily provides.

The Dark Angels FAQ says you can "use" one empty, but this is ambiguous as to whether that just means drop it empty, as opposed to purchasing it empty. Everywhere I've seen takes the more conservative read, allowing a squad to purchase a pod and deploy normally, dropping the pod empty, but not allowing a player to buy a completely empty separate pod for their army.

Mannahnin wrote:The Dark Angels FAQ says you can "use" one empty, but this is ambiguous as to whether that just means drop it empty, as opposed to purchasing it empty. Everywhere I've seen takes the more conservative read, allowing a squad to purchase a pod and deploy normally, dropping the pod empty, but not allowing a player to buy a completely empty separate pod for their army.

This is how I've always seen it done and played it. It gives up a kill point either way but you can use it to block normal travel or to create a minor choke point of sorts or get a extra gun on the table WHERE you want it.

Grey elder wrote:

hcordes wrote:

The problem is, what would you count them as on your army list?

The RAW say they do not take up any force orgizantion slots.

Riiiiight..... but you have to have the squad, in order to get six razor backs i need six tactical squads...... i can use the razor backs how ever i want.... but i need the squads.

I mean with what you are saying, i can purchace 12 razorbacks with various weapons, and loose nothing on the Force Chart as far as slots go..... and i've barley gotten close to 500pts?!?!?! (depending on weapons) thats a lot of fire power for next to nothing. Not really fair....

Mannahnin wrote:The Dark Angels FAQ says you can "use" one empty, but this is ambiguous as to whether that just means drop it empty, as opposed to purchasing it empty. Everywhere I've seen takes the more conservative read, allowing a squad to purchase a pod and deploy normally, dropping the pod empty, but not allowing a player to buy a completely empty separate pod for their army.

So seeing as this is not a set definition it open to discussion and there fore has the potential to be taken with out a squad if playing dark angels?

Grey elder wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:The Dark Angels FAQ says you can "use" one empty, but this is ambiguous as to whether that just means drop it empty, as opposed to purchasing it empty. Everywhere I've seen takes the more conservative read, allowing a squad to purchase a pod and deploy normally, dropping the pod empty, but not allowing a player to buy a completely empty separate pod for their army.

So seeing as this is not a set definition it open to discussion and there fore has the potential to be taken with out a squad if playing dark angels?

Gonna have to say no there. There is no place that allows you to purchase them as a unit anywhere in the book. The only place you can get them is with a unit, as an "upgrade" for the unit.

Aramus wrote:

Grey elder wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:The Dark Angels FAQ says you can "use" one empty, but this is ambiguous as to whether that just means drop it empty, as opposed to purchasing it empty. Everywhere I've seen takes the more conservative read, allowing a squad to purchase a pod and deploy normally, dropping the pod empty, but not allowing a player to buy a completely empty separate pod for their army.

So seeing as this is not a set definition it open to discussion and there fore has the potential to be taken with out a squad if playing dark angels?

Gonna have to say no there. There is no place that allows you to purchase them as a unit anywhere in the book. The only place you can get them is with a unit, as an "upgrade" for the unit.

But if it says they do not count the force organisation chart do you have to adhere to the chart when buying them seperately?

Grey elder wrote:
But if it says they do not count the force organisation chart do you have to adhere to the chart when buying them seperately?

p67 BRB
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Sometimes a unit entry in a Codex will include a
transport option, allowing a vehicle to be selected
together with the unit. These ‘dedicated
transports’ do not use up a slot on the force
organisation chart. Other vehicles may also have a
transport capacity, but they are chosen separately
as normal and occupy a force organisation chart
slot of their own.

Pretty clear that you cannot.

Gorkamorka wrote:

Grey elder wrote:
But if it says they do not count the force organisation chart do you have to adhere to the chart when buying them seperately?

p67 BRB
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Sometimes a unit entry in a Codex will include a
transport option, allowing a vehicle to be selected
together with the unit. These ‘dedicated
transports’ do not use up a slot on the force
organisation chart. Other vehicles may also have a
transport capacity, but they are chosen separately
as normal and occupy a force organisation chart
slot of their own.

Pretty clear that you cannot.

Thanks, didn't have the BRB handy when I posted

Grey elder wrote:
So seeing as this is not a set definition it open to discussion and there fore has the potential to be taken with out a squad if playing dark angels?

Yeah, right. Like ANYONE still plays those green marines anymore using that codex. [sarcasm].

Grey elder (hah! I probably have more grey hair than you.) Easter was 4 weeks ago. Stop hunting for eggs, they've long since melted away.

Dedicated transports HAVE to be purchased for a unit. Period.
Regardless of whether or not they occupy a FOC slot. You still need a unit to be able to get them.

I am pretty sure this thread went 20 posts too long. lol
but the idea of just purchasing transports, to make a wall of razorbacks is pretty cool, just like buying my whole squad power weapons, you know I just buy them for the Sarg, and he passes them out to the unit, right? the book doesn't say i can't do that /sarcasm