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The Black Library exists in the Webway which is technically in the warp, so...

You're way off. The webway was created (or access to it was sought) for the very reason that the Eldar and their kind don't have to enter warp when they travel. Webway is a dimension between the two dimensions. A hiding place from Slaanesh, if you will. The Craftworlders live a life of restraint from all excesses or else Slaanesh will have their soul. Their Dark Kin place no such restrictions upon themselves but have to spend most of their time in Commorragh, a city not in material space nor in the warp, or else Slaanesh will destroy them too. Any Eldar entering warp space is described as a bright homing beacon for all types of Daemons (Because Eldar are a psychic race in the extreme).

There's still absolutely no rumours here. This same speculation has been posted every now and then for over five years now.

Hey! I'm not saying I agree with how GW runs their business, I'm just saying that's how it probably is going to be.

I don't get it either - we are (allegedly) talking about JES FREAKIN' GOODWIN models here!

The saddest thing is that realistically how many new models can they release in one go? How many new models have the recent new armies got? Let's assume Jes has sculpted the new Warrior plastic box, a plastic box that allows you to make a Ravager and/or Raider, new metal Incubi and three to four HQ/special characters. What else can we realistically expect? New plastic Wyches? Bikes? Hellions? Talos? What about the new units that we're being promised, especially as every single new codex has had plenty of them? Are they getting models at all? Unlikely.

Seriously, the Dark Eldar line has nothing but awful and/or outdated models and they all have to be replaced and this won't happen anytime soon because there's simply too much stuff to do. We'll get the most important two plastic boxes, some metals, and the rest will keep waiting for many more years. Basically, everyone will convert everything from the new Warrior kit.

So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

That simply cannot and won't be the case. Expecting GW to release five or six new plastic boxes and five or six new metal units plus heroes plus all the possible new vehicles and/or units, all in one go, is simply delusional, as might be the whole idea of DE getting released at all. That would be the biggest single army release they've probably ever done and let's be honest half of the people don't even remember Dark Eldar exist anymore not to mention that there would be a sufficiently large fanbase ready to buy all those new kits.

They will revise all the models, but I highly doubt they will release them all in one wave

Exactly. We'll get a couple plastic kits and no information what else is going to be revised/released and when, and everyone who want to build battle ready armies right away have to convert the units they need or use older models. A year or two will go by without any word about possible new releases, untill they release some new stuff alongside an Orcs and Goblins release or something, when nobody expects it. That's GW wisdom for you.

generalgrog wrote:

Therion wrote:

So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

That simply cannot and won't be the case. Expecting GW to release five or six new plastic boxes and five or six new metal units plus heroes plus all the possible new vehicles and/or units, all in one go, is simply delusional,

Ever heard of Tau? or Ogre Kingdoms?

They released many new kits as new armies, and you really have to look at Dark Eldar as a "new" army release since it's going to be a reboot.

There may be one or two models that don't get released but I fully expect 90% of the range to be available within the first few months of release.

GG

Both hopelessly outdated armies that in no way match up to current army books, and I'm not talking in terms of gaming power but simply the amount of units to choose from. Open your Codex: Necrons and count all the different HQ, elite, troops, fast attack and heavy support choices you have at your disposal. Now compare that number with modern books like Imperial Guard, Tyranids or Blood Angels. Do the same for Tau. Simply put, the expectations for new books are much higher than before. Noone will be satisfied with a book that has 3 HQ choices, 3 elite choices, 1 troops choice, 3 fast attack choices and 3 heavy support choices. New books have 30 to 50 army list entries and I'm not expecting DE or any future army to be any different. Now, you see the strain it puts on the guys who are trying to make the models? Every new book has tons of units that will never be released as Citadel miniatures at all, and you're expecting this to change because some random dude on some random forum said so? Because Dark Eldar are so special?

Three plastic kits and some metal blister packs will get the Dark Eldar started, sure, but it will be far and away from the supposed revamp of the entire model line. How can people be so unrealistic here? Noone should get their hopes up about Dark Eldar getting released at all, ever, but instead of just secretly keeping their thumbs up for the release to become a reality, they're expecting to get new models for about 8 heroes, 3 to 6 vehicles and 6 to 12 units? Good luck with that. Games Workshop that doesn't release the Storm Raven or Thunderwolf Cav or the Tervigon/T-Fex when they 100% know all of the kits would sell out all around the world, suddenly releases an unforeseen amount of stuff for a fringe army that's almost completely forgotten and is the very definition of a high risk release. Makes sense?

Decidedly angry about what? About Dark Eldar? They're fictional creatures. About Dark Eldar models being released? Why would I be angry about that? I'd love for the next four army books to be Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau and Eldar. What I'm surprised about is the amount of unwarranted optimism and the general state of delusion in this thread. A lot of people are really setting themselves up for a major disappointment.

FYI Sanguinary Guard are plastic so 4 plastic kits.

Sanguinary Guard, DC, Baal Predator, and what's the fourth plastic kit?

You know that doesn't make any sense, don't you? Are you saying they've recreated the entire Dark Eldar line, but none of it was ready before the new codex had to hit the printers and therefore the book has pictures of all the old junk? More specifically, you're saying that the models have been ready for months or even a year, but they just couldn't get them painted in time for the pics? What a switch from the previous "They've been working on this release for a decade". Now it's "They had to release a book in a hurry to shut up the internet crowd. Gav Thorpe wrote the fluff while sitting on the toilet and Matt Ward random generated stats and points costs".

It’s dead certain that some folks have seen some of the new figs, but GW’s been tightfisted and people are being cautious. With Jes working on the figs over a long period, the logistical hurdle of GW’s sculpting schedule / what their guys are busy with is not really a factor.

You're right, I can't distinguish anything from all the garbage Dark Eldar rumours we've heard for years. People are being cautious? What people? All we know is that some people who we don't know claim something that can't be verified while offering no proof whatsoever, masking it all with blanket statements that the whatever-release is an industrial secret and they can't say anything more except vague lies disguised as half-truths in order to stroke their internet egos. You're talking like Games Workshop is somekind of military technology lab with airtight security policies and personnel scans. It's a British company that makes toy soldiers for kids. If someone leaks some information about a future release it'll take them a century to find out something was leaked in the first place not to mention who leaked it and how.

Now, regarding the fact that the Dark Eldar might actually get released soon, I've been asking people how they can expect the whole line to be resculpted and released alongside new models for new units in one go. It's an important question and you're wrong in saying I'm off base with that one. You believe it's possible, I believe it isn't. I can agree that their goal might be to re-do the entire line but I'd guess the timeline for that is an abstract one. Of course, the same can be said of any army. They'll resculpt every Space Marine unit and vehicle too, but it'll take 20 years.

I don't know anything about upgrades or anything else about the DE codex coming this fall except for 12/10/10 open-topped, new shape, dark lance, 55 points.

Raider>Chimera>Razorback? I'm liking the idea of fielding 6 Hydras and only 1 Manticore more and more.

Kroothawk wrote:Just because some people are uncertain about this:

1.) It is confirmed that the whole range of DE miniatures will get new models.
2.) Jes was sculpting for the last 3 years or so to achieve this. He got all the time he needed, so this is not comparable to the BA release.
3.) Most models are ready, the Codex at the printers.
4.) Some people have seen them and say that they are awesome.
5.) Not all are ready, some will be released in a second wave, which usually is more than 6 months later.
6.) If you do lists of units, leave room for new units, as all new Codices feature new stuff.

1.) Who confirmed it? When did they confirm it and where?
2.) Who has confirmed this information to be true and not fan fabrication? When? Where?
3.) Confirmed? By who? When? Where?
4.) What people? Can you confirm those people exist?
5.) As I suspected, but who confirmed this and when and where?
6.) I'm not sure what you mean except that the new codex will have new units in it. Who confirmed this information, when, and where?

See, you can't just say someone said, confirmed or saw something and expect it to be taken as the truth. What you said didn't confirm anything at all, only reminded us of a bunch of rumours.

Alpharius wrote:4) I can confirm that the new models are, in fact, awesome!

You've seen the new models and the word you'd use to describe them is awesome? Which models did you see? When? Where? How? Why? Are there any other adjectives you'd like to use to describe them, or would that breach your contract, undoubtedly resulting in GW's army of lawyers taking everything you own and maybe even having you assassinated just to make sure you don't reveal any other secrets like what brand of coffee they drink at the studio?

Allright then, so the part that was fan speculation was that the codex will have new units and that there are going to new models for those new units, and that the new models for existing and new units all look awesome. Secondly, the so called confirmation that the codex is at the printers sounds like one of these "So my friend Bob knows this guy Joe from the pub whose cousin-in-law works at this printing company and he said GW's Codex: Dark Eldar is at their printers" rumours. Lastly, if it's so obvious that the new models will be released in two or three waves (as is the norm for this edition as you said) why are people like Mannahnin arguing that the DE will be a mega release of 15+ new units all in one go? Is it because any information we have on that subject is nothing but speculation? I remember my earliest posts saying that I expect the scenario to be a couple new plastic boxes and then an agonising wait for new models that may or may not come, forcing everyone to convert a lot of stuff, à la Tyranids/SW/BA/IG.

Anyway, I won't derail your thread any further.

Salt! SAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

Pretty pathetic actually. If you're really interested in the discussion, go back a little and see what it started from. I doubted that GW can release an entirely new Dark Eldar line in one go or one wave whichever word you're willing to use. I said I expect them to release two or three plastic boxes and two or three metal units, and whatever the exact amount turns out to be, leaving something to be converted. If anything this has been the trend with new 40K army books (partly because they now have lots and lots of different and very specialised unit choices), and nothing posted in this thread is of any evidence to the contrary. You're just being you.

But yeah, I'm sure it is completely and utterly impossible for the entire Dark Eldar line to be revised.

Is there a forum particularly suited for threads discussing you and other overly sarcastic posters being wrong about the entire Dark Eldar line (models for everything in the codex) being released this fall? I'm just asking beforehand because it's not really suited for "News & Rumours" since I knew it in advance.