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the fw broadsides come with larger bases than the gw broadsides.

raw says they have to be mounted on the base they come with.

question:can a tau player use the normal(smaller) bases for the fw models?

Haven't you just answered your own question?

HamHamLunchbox wrote:the fw broadsides come with larger bases than the gw broadsides.

raw says they have to be mounted on the base they come with.

question:can a tau player use the normal(smaller) bases for the fw models?

No, as you have posted yourself they would not be the base the model came with.

Are you using the IA rules or the regular rules for your broadsides? If you're using the regular rules, I believe you'll have to convert the models anyway to use legal weapons. Then you can claim you are using the broadside models, with their supplied smaller bases, but with a small conversion (converting the entire model except the weapons).

Are they the ones holding the railguns?

And yes just like you cant custom make a huge base for canis

ChocolateGork wrote:Are they the ones holding the railguns?

And yes just like you cant custom make a huge base for canis

NO, you use the base the model is supplied with unless you receive opponent consent EVERY game you play.

Lukus83 wrote:Haven't you just answered your own question?

i know the answer,but one of my friends that just got his broadsides insists on using the smaller bases "because its an alternative broadside mini"

Your friend is wrong on the RAW, but if between you two you agree it is fine then all is good.

He should just be aware that he should be saying this to EVERY opponent and getting consent to use them - it is not his "right"

By RAW yes you must use the base as everyone and their monkey has said.

However at the end of the day in this perticular case does it make any difference, a broadside is a broadside it has the same rules set. IMHO its a case of RAW going to far, just like PC has in the UK.

Eurgh Bodders, just had to get that last one in eh?

The rules are nowhere near as strict as people are making out here. It's just a common courtesy rule asking that you make sure your opponent is okay with different sized bases. If your opponent isn't okay with it, game over!

If you do want to play it strictly by RAW though, the rules explicitly mention that Citadel miniatures must be stuck to their bases. Forgeworld miniatures are not Citadel miniatures (they're seperate companies, both operated by Games Workshop). Ergo the broadsides from FW don't need bases at all! Have fun assaulting them.

Rube wrote:

If you do want to play it strictly by RAW though, the rules explicitly mention that Citadel miniatures must be stuck to their bases. Forgeworld miniatures are not Citadel miniatures (they're seperate companies, both operated by Games Workshop). Ergo the broadsides from FW don't need bases at all! Have fun assaulting them.

well,then you are not allowed to use them anyhow because they are no citadel miniatures

Henners91 wrote:Eurgh Bodders, just had to get that last one in eh?

I could not resist

however i have just thought of one thing which kinda blows my comment out of the water.

Trying playing using the FW Avatar on a GW base...

I dont think that the model will fit somehow, but then again if you want an Avatar which is what about 6 inches tall stompping across the board, i do not think that you will object to using a large base. (this is assuming no changes to the GW kit since i bought mine 10 years ago)

Citadel miniatures owns Forgeworld, otherwise the Citadel Miniatures verbiage on my IA books is wrong.

You mean it's now ok to play FW models in tournaments? Oh yeah, here come the heavy drone squads.

agnosto wrote:You mean it's now ok to play FW models in tournaments? Oh yeah, here come the heavy drone squads.

The FW broadsides just count as broadsides. The have the exactly same rules as in the Tau codex but look so much better. If you want to use FW rules in a tournament its up to the TO. Most tournaments dont allow Fw rules, but some do. Using models to represent something else is generally more acceptable because it doesnt bring up any weird balance issues. Again asking the TO on what is acceptable BEFORE you go to a tournament is a good idea.

Sure, if the rules are in your codex then they're by definition legal to begin with.

Want to use units not included in your codex? check with the TO if its okay.

Doesn't alter that they ARE Citadel models

RAW: you have to use the model with the base supplied:

except, just like old tyranid players with square-base warriors, you will get crap at tourneys and from 100% of ruleslawyer douchebags. No one notices or cares if you rebase them with the "modern" bases.

If you run into the combination of super douchey TO as well as a ruleslawyer opponent you are going to run into trouble /either way/ however if you rebased your broadsides to 40mm, then said they are converted models that represent broadsides. The TO would have to be cranking it to 11 to toss your models for that...

HamHamLunchbox wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Haven't you just answered your own question?

i know the answer,but one of my friends that just got his broadsides insists on using the smaller bases "because its an alternative broadside mini"

So why ask? If you don't want to let him, you don't have to. It's a bit harsh but that's your call. If you are wondering whether your friend will get trouble at a tournament, probably not unless it is a clear abuse or a desperate opponent being 'that guy'.

So a simple thought. Start with a basic broadside kit. Take the base it is supplied with. Use a bit or two and convert it with the FW broadside model. There you have it, using the base it was supplied with.

The easier logic is he is using the FW Broadside as a "count as" model. The "count as" is a GW broadside which is supplied on the 40mm base so thus should be mounted on it reguardless of what actual model/conversion is used. After all if this wasn't the case the count as rule would allow you to pick you base size.

With that said, if he wanted to use it as a FW model with the FW rules then using the base it was suppied with would be an issue.

Edit: Grammer

Wow can't believe this came up with such a debate lol.

RAW yes your forced to use the base it came with. A Broadside is a Broadside, if your using the rules from the Tau Codex then get real, no one should have an issue using the original Broadside base.

I don't know a single TO that would have an issue with that, as you would have to be a serious TFG to throw a fit about, of all things, a broadside's base size. If it was using FW rules for a broadside or something then yes, that would be a serious TO issue.

It's similar to stating that someone using FW drop pod doors on their drop pod needs to be cleared with the TO because the extra detail makes them sit higher while opened providing extra cover.

Just use either the smaller base or the larger base as you think fit.

If the other player queries it just say it is the Forge World model.

Only a total TFG will quibble, in which case you can just pack up your troops and let him swing in the wind.

You don't have to play the game with anyone.

This would be the most inconsequential thing to bring up in a game. Any game......, touney or friendly. You should be saying.

"Dude, that's damn cool,.. that model rocks..!!!"

Not

"Dude, your base is too small, thats illegal, and your going to have to base it on a super large base from Forgeworld... If I even decide to let you play with it at all."

Bottom line, The models have the exact same stats... Don't worry about it.. Don't be TFG, or your going to find everyone inspecting your models for WYSIWYG wargear making sure every model is correctly shown...

You might have an argument if he had the XV81,84 or 89 on a small base as it is a completly different model, different stats, but even then your really pushing the issue.

Not really - not all of the element s of the model can be condsiered identical - hell they can't even be considered identical in game terms.

Not that I'd ever let it stop me from playing a game.