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Little question.

Splitting one 10 men Tactical sq. can I divide the members this way..

- Serg. + Flamer + Missile Launcher + 2 Marines

and

- 5 Marines

..or I should divide the 2 "special" weapons?

As far as I'm aware you can split how you like

Tnx

there are no restrictions other than you hav eto have 2 5 man squads.

how you arrange the 5 man squads is up to you.

I usually put the heavy weapon in a static squad as fire support and then the special weapon with sergeant in a razorback.

I have a question, so if I have a tactical squad in a rhino, and i roll dawn of war say. Can i combat squad legally at deployment? As the rhino and two squads count as 3 troops choices... Is there anyway around this, as in an objective game id want the most troop squads possible from turn 1.

Combat squad still counts as one troop choice in your FOC because it's one unit just split in two. Yes you can combat squad any vanilla marine unit but you have to tell your opponent before the game begins which units are using the ability and where they are IIRC.

You can combat squad the unit, however youc annot have both CS units AND the rhino on the table.

So you can deploy both units, on their own, without the rhino. Or you can keep them off the table. There is no way to "deploy" half the squad as a CS in a rhino and hold the rest back in reserve.

I'd disagree with that, nosferatu. You choose to combat squad at deployment, great. You also choose to hold things in reserve during deployment. I see no reason you cant deploy half a combat squad on the table, and hold the other half in reserves.

FYI, I play irks not space marines, but i DO beat them up an awful lot But I have a question, unless i misunderstood. The SM squads that can be split and take troop transport, can 1 squad of 5 be in the transport while another group of 5 be on the table somewhere? Even in dawn of war? Would this still count as a single unit in the Army Choice, even in dawn of war?

Warlordron'swaagh wrote:FYI, I play irks not space marines, but i DO beat them up an awful lot But I have a question, unless i misunderstood. The SM squads that can be split and take troop transport, can 1 squad of 5 be in the transport while another group of 5 be on the table somewhere? Even in dawn of war? Would this still count as a single unit in the Army Choice, even in dawn of war?

Yes and No. It counts as 3 units.

Gwar! wrote:Yes and No. It counts as 3 units.

I think I see what you are saying here, but I want to make it obvious for myself because I asked this with our gaming group. So what you are saying is that it counts as 3 units for the purpose of kill points, but it does not fit the FoC correct? So if you had, saw a librarian and a tactical squad, you would not be filling the FoC if you chose to split the tac squad right?

s2ua7 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Yes and No. It counts as 3 units.

I think I see what you are saying here, but I want to make it obvious for myself because I asked this with our gaming group. So what you are saying is that it counts as 3 units for the purpose of kill points, but it does not fit the FoC correct? So if you had, saw a librarian and a tactical squad, you would not be filling the FoC if you chose to split the tac squad right?

Correct.

Honersstodnt wrote:I'd disagree with that, nosferatu. You choose to combat squad at deployment, great. You also choose to hold things in reserve during deployment. I see no reason you cant deploy half a combat squad on the table, and hold the other half in reserves.

Great, so deploy the squad on the table as two units.

Now find a rule that lets you pick one of the units up and put in back into reserve.

You split up the units when you *deploy*, meaning the action of deploying the models and NOT the period of time when models are put down on the table.

it says you choose to combat squad DURING deployment... not after... and as you choose to hold reserves DURING deployment... I see no conflict.

Honersstodnt wrote:it says you choose to combat squad DURING deployment... not after... and as you choose to hold reserves DURING deployment... I see no conflict.

No, it says you combat squad when the unit "is deployed".

Units in reserve have not deployed.

Honersstodnt wrote:it says you choose to combat squad DURING deployment... not after... and as you choose to hold reserves DURING deployment... I see no conflict.

No, it states WHEN YOU DEPLOY.

You have not deployed until you are on the table.

if you wish to disagree please read the codex and quote the rule first, it will save time!

Honersstodnt wrote:it says you choose to combat squad DURING deployment... not after... and as you choose to hold reserves DURING deployment... I see no conflict.

And the main rulebook specifically states that units held in reserves are not deployed. Page 94, Reserves:
When deploying their army, players may choose not to deploy one or more of the units in their army and instead leave them in reserve.

So how are you going to deploy one combat squad and not the other. Simple, you can't.

I'll tell you EXACTLY how i'm going to do it. by cockpunching my opponent until he sees things my way, then running like the wind when the tournament judges come over, screaming "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE", as I run headlong into an electric fence and die, leaving a crispy smouldering corpse.

THATS how i'm going to do it.

Agreed Honersstodnt, junk punches in the man business is always a valid tactic.

I think we have a candidate for America's Most Wanted in the works here.

Honersstodnt wrote:I'd disagree with that, nosferatu. You choose to combat squad at deployment, great. You also choose to hold things in reserve during deployment. I see no reason you cant deploy half a combat squad on the table, and hold the other half in reserves.

this is in error, you choose when the unit is deployed (verb) not during deployment (a 'phase' that doesn't exist in the rulebook). When models are going on the table is when they are deployed, please pay attention to this detail and reread the rules.


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Honersstodnt wrote:it says you choose to combat squad DURING deployment... not after... and as you choose to hold reserves DURING deployment... I see no conflict.

I am double responding to make sure this error is completely cleared up, many people commit this error I want to make sure it is squashed.

there is no such thing as "Deployment", please quote the rulebook where they explain some sort of deployment phase. The rulebook clearly states over and over that units are deployed when they are placed onto the table, thus a unit being deployed from reserves may then be split into combat squads. Until that point they are a single 10 man squad which is in reserves. Please pay attention to this detail and reread the rules and codex.

A bit of a tangent here:

I saw someone deploy a combat squadded tac squad and a scout squad for dawn of war deployment. He maintains that this is legit, I didn't think so. What's the call?

This is why I love these forums... I make a mistake, and I have 3 people tell me why i'm wrong

Honersstodnt wrote:This is why I love these forums... I make a mistake, and I have 3 people tell me why i'm wrong

Just wanted to squash this often-made mistake. It is something that causes a lot of people great distress to understand, I've encountered it many times and it slows games down; just wanted to do my part to make WH40k better

Fearspect wrote:A bit of a tangent here:

I saw someone deploy a combat squadded tac squad and a scout squad for dawn of war deployment. He maintains that this is legit, I didn't think so. What's the call?

This is exactly the same as the previous issue. At the end of the deployment phase, you have 3 Troops units on the board. This is therefore an illegal deployment.

The Dawn of War rules specifically require that you only have a maximum of 1 HQ and 2 Troops units on the board when you have finished deploying.