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Figured i would throw up my Ard boy list. Has worked out great for me and wanted to share it with the other salamander folks out there in Dakaa land.


Vulkan

Master of Forge

3 tac squads Multi melta, melta, Combi melta, Power fist.(all 3 exactly the same)

Termies Hammer/shield(5)

Preaditor Autocannon/ Las Spons. (x2)

3 Ironclad Dreads Heavy Flamer, melta

6 Drop pods


Idea is simple drop pod in Dreads or Tac squads, possible mix of the two Depending on what is needed.MoF goes with 2nd tac squad and Vulcan goes with 1st tac squad.

An interesting build. I like it, but one unit seems out of place and that's the Hammernators. They are the best assault unit in the game right now and I personally will never run a Salamander list without them, but the problem I see is deep-striking the unit. They lend no firepower when they drop and your opponent (if they're smart) will do everything in their power to get out of charge range so they can never do what they do best.

Might want to consider adding land speeders with MM/HF to this list. That way you keep the all deepstriking aspect and add some more anti-tank and anti-horde.

Good Luck with the list!

First turn your gunna be dropping 3 Ironclads into a hornets nest. Your gunna have to put them in close just so they have a chance at doing anything and with the amount of melta in a 2500 point list they are not gunna make it. You don't have enuff threats on the board to make this effective.

If you are going with a Drop Pod list your need 9+ drop pods so you can hopefully overwhelm in the your opponent in the Alpha strike. My recommendation is to cut the list back to 3 drop pods and I might consider just taking multi-melta dreads so at least you have a better chance of making some points back with destroying some transports or armor. Get a Land Raider in there and some rhino/razorbacks for your troops. This way the Ironclads can draw the fire while your tanks/transport move up. Multi-melta/Heavy Flamer speeders are golden in a Vulcan list and with them you can push enuff threats up front to get your land raider time to deliver your ballbreakers and your tacticals into objectives.

@Nine, I walk em across the board, Or Deeps trike them. Depends on what situation i come up against.

@Chaos, I feel my army is very strong. I have yet to be handed a asswhooping with this list. And that is playing every army out there. I have played it since the Codex came out and love it.It works very very well with it's simplistic style of play, hence my Armies name "Hammer"

Thank you for the input fellas, Hope to have more conversation about it in the future, and hell..Maybe even see some of you at Ard Boyz


PS... My god i am a moron.. never post before morning coffee... I do have a land Raider in there, It is a god hammer for fire support. (i don't have the Redeemer bits)

Arrathon wrote:@Nine, I walk em across the board, Or Deeps trike them. Depends on what situation i come up against.

PS... My god i am a moron.. never post before morning coffee... I do have a land Raider in there, It is a god hammer for fire support. (i don't have the Redeemer bits)

That seals the deal there. Hammernators really need a ride to be effective IMO.

If you're looking to add anything later on and want to shave some points, I'd suggest dropping the MoTF first. He's uber fluffy and a great unit, but he doesn't add anything new to the list.

Like I said the list has solid logic put into it and appears to work with your playstyle. Might be a tweak or two to possibly to playtest, but your core is well thought out.

Units to consider:

Land Speeders w/ MM and HF
Vindicators (YMMV)
Switch meltas on Ironclads to another HF: I use this and I have a blast, but versatility is nice too the way you have them currently. You'd have to rely on your tanks to open up transports first.
Another Drop Pod: An odd number of drop pods is ideal to get the most out of your alphastrike.

Good luck!

I'm not 100% on this, but I do not think you can elect to give your drop pods to one unit or another in a closed list tournament. You buy them as a dedicated transport for a unit and they have to either use it, or drop it down empty.

Fearspect wrote:I'm not 100% on this, but I do not think you can elect to give your drop pods to one unit or another in a closed list tournament. You buy them as a dedicated transport for a unit and they have to either use it, or drop it down empty.

You're right, but I'm not sure where this is coming from. I see 6 drop pods for 3 tacticals and 3 Ironclads. My suggestion was to find another unit that can drop so he'll have 4 pods landing turn 1 or remove a drop pod for a tactical to grab a razorback/rhino instead so he's still dropping his 3 ironclads turn 1.

Righto, misread that there.

Anyway, I think this will carry you through round one. There are glaring weaknesses that will begin to show as you fight the nearly-ubiquitous Inquisitor + 2x Mystics combo.

You definitely want to upgrade your Landraider to an assault variant first off. Next, I think you want to find points to run a 2nd. Drop the Predators for that.

Two Landraiders starting on the board along with a drop pod element could do quite well. Ranged transport popping is not something you need to worry about, considering the strong anti-mech you are dropping in an opponent's face. Let me fiddle with this a bit:

Vulkan 190

10x TH/SS Terminators w/ Redeemer w/ MM, EA 665
Dreadnought w/ MM, HF, Pod 150
Dreadnought w/ MM, HF, Pod 150

Tactical w/ MM, Flamer, Pod 205
Tactical w/ MM, Flamer, Pod 205
Tactical w/ MM, Flamer, Pod 205
Tactical w/ MM, Flamer, Pod 205

Landspeeder w/ MM, HF 70
Landspeeder w/ MM, HF 70
Landspeeder w/ MM, HF 70

Redeemer w/ MM, EA 265

Total: 2450 (combi-weapons on sergeants? HKs on Raiders? Locator Beacons?)

Always keep in mind a great trick with drop pods: for 35 points you can stop (or very much slow) a Landraider moving for at least one turn by dropping it directly in front of it. Three drop pods can box off a significant part of an army while your curb-stomping Terminators move into an ideal position.

Thanks guys for all the ideas, but i have been playing this list for a long time now. The thing i love about this list is i can maneuver it to fit what i need. Each tac squad gets a pod. Each Dread gets a pod. MoTF is needed due to my 1 elite and 2 heavy chosen. I cannot run 3 dreads without him as he turns your dreads into Elite and/or heavy. Normally i do wall up what i need to slow down with my pods. And as far as only dropping three in a turn, im not to worried about it, so far so good -crosses fingers- And besides, this list is nice and fluffy for the Sallies coming from the new novel they have. If i had the bits my LR would be a redeemer but i don't so im stuck with God hammer pattern.I have tried DS the termies, most of the time they dont even come in until late in the game. Last 4 games i have played, i foot slogged them, and whipped out 3/4'ths of the opponent's Troop choices along the way. Now saying all that..i am in no way bragging or saying it is unbeatable because it very much is. But i like it due to how easily i can change tactics for a game.


PS. also as far as that whole inquisitor with mystics deal. i have played against it alot, im not scared of it at all, unless i run across a scenario like i did in the last toruny i played in.. where if second player rolls a 1 there is no reserves at all and every MUST start on table..which i did.. well then i am sure i should be alright.. besides..im playing for fun not worried about dominating or such.

Up to you. I think you have strong choices, but it is not a totally coherent list.

1) You have very few units on the table and will fall victim to concentrated melta, considering you drop right in front of units. Furthermore, many I know personally, and more on the internets are talking about bringin 16+ vehicle mech lists. These will make your list very unhappy.

2) You really have very little to deal with actual troops. Three heavy flamers on the dreadnaughts and your bolter shots do not take down an army. If they are in flamer range, then they are in the enemy's melta range.

3) You are effectively bringing a 2400 point list to this event on account of the MotF being used in this way.

Well again i thank you for the ideas, but again....i have played this list a long time. It works great. I walk thru mob armies well, and i can handle mech armies also.

I would just look at this option and maybe play around with the points to see what else you could come up with. What I see here is a master of the forge that is really not needed. This in turn though would require that you drop both pred from your list. So the end result could be that you could add in two more pods to up your drop in. This is something you will have to play around as you said you liked your list as it was.

This in turn would allow you to pod in to shield your LR as it rolls down the field. I would also invest in maybe a fast attack option to follow in tow with your LR. The reason behind this is because some of the mission give away kp and or bonus points if you dont have any fast attack options. If you do have these options and they live, you get the bonus points. So if your looking to win the first round, invest in getting the points. Then again you can make the changes needed once the missions roll out.

A side option would be to put some termies in a pod to pop in with two IC. That way your last IC could come down where you need it most. I myself really dont have an issue with IC as they hit hard but die quickly vs my army list that I run. That and IC have 10 rear armour which is easy to roll on and break.

Tarval wrote:A side option would be to put some termies in a pod to pop in with two IC. That way your last IC could come down where you need it most.

Unfortunately there's no way to get Assault Terminators inside a Drop Pod.

Overall it's a nice list. I like the inclusion of the Predators and Land Raider for cover fire, and as long as you drop those Ironclads in a sensible location (ie. not suicidally) they should wreak a lot of havoc and distraction before they die. My two concerns, however, are this:
1. As has been mentioned above, the Ordo Malleus Lord + Mystics combination is going to screw with your deployment quite hard. For your sake I hope the boards you are playing on have a lot of cover that your Ironclads can run between.
2. No Psychic defense. Although mosts Mech lists are relatively safe from things like Fzorgle, with all your Drop Pods your Troops are going to be very susceptible to shenanigans. Personally I'd rather take a Librarian and sacrifice one of your Ironclads.

Arrathon wrote:Well again i thank you for the ideas, but again....i have played this list a long time. It works great. I walk thru mob armies well, and i can handle mech armies also.

Well, congratulations on creating the perfect list. I would also, at this time, like to thank you on behalf of everyone using these forums for allowing us to see its greatness.

Wow..no need to be childish. I did not post my list to be told "im wrong" i thought it was a nice fluffy list for the sallies and wanted to share it. I didn't make you post to it either so -shrug- maybe go tell someone else their wrong? Oh and on another note. I have already spent well over 250$ just on friggin bits to make it wysiwyg so..hmm yea it's staying this way lol. But..on one last note. If you don't think it's a ncie list..lets play sometime id love to show you how "wrong" i am.

Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of the Army List forum. Generally when somebody posts their list online here they are looking for some kind of feedback or constructive criticism, so if you've already built and play tested your list and aren't looking for feedback...I'm really not sure why you put it up.

This seems to happen quite regularly. Now I'm just waiting for DashofPepper to show up and accept this little challenge.

Arrathon wrote:Wow..no need to be childish. I did not post my list to be told "im wrong" i thought it was a nice fluffy list for the sallies and wanted to share it. I didn't make you post to it either so -shrug- maybe go tell someone else their wrong? Oh and on another note. I have already spent well over 250$ just on friggin bits to make it wysiwyg so..hmm yea it's staying this way lol. But..on one last note. If you don't think it's a ncie list..lets play sometime id love to show you how "wrong" i am.

Oh is this is gunna be the new salamanders "netlist"!! Why didn't you just say so the first place!

Well my biddies told me this place was full of snobby asshat's but i joined it anyhow... they will be happy to hear they are right. I'll just take my conversations elsewhere. And whatever Mod or whatnot is in charge might as well as close this thread since apparently i posted it in the wrong place and the arm chair commandos do not approve of it.

Arrathon wrote:Well my biddies told me this place was full of snobby asshat's but i joined it anyhow...

They was talking about BoLS Shouldn't listen to Biddies anyways

Guys why can't you all just lay off. geez. He was just sharing his list. Don't get butt hurt if he doesn't want any additional advice.

Personally I don;t even like it, but I respect the fact the OP does. Remember all, in this game everybody personal list is the end all list. Why would any one of us make a list that we designed to lose with... Beauty is in the eye... blah blah...

Arrathon, just roll with it, you may of hurt some feelings, but all are not sensitive here. And BTW challenging people over the web is kinda weird...

Your right Byte.. I rarely lose my temper, and i should know better this being the internet.

It's all good. I wish you the best of luck at 'ard boys. I have a lot of painting to do if I'm going to make it...

I thought people got laughed at for bringing painted armies to 'Ard Boyz. Mine is going to have a 'Ard Boyz Black Primer paint scheme.