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eey all

a friend of mine (dico, he posted an army list on my account a while ago) plays space wolves, and he says he is going to play a unit of complex thunderwolves (wolf claw, mark, power weapon, melta bombs) for a total of 295 points, i play complex nobs in a bw, including 3pk's and 2 waagh banners (give +2 ws to the unit), he has 12" charge range, so he will probably be the one who charges me, how many nobs will he take down before i can strike? WILL he take down nobs before than?

remco

Your Nobs are in a Battlewagon right?

If so, there is your answer.

Hit those Thunderwolves with said Battlewagon. Make sure it is equipped with a deffrolla.

D6 Str 10 hits should put a nice dent in the unit. If this is his OMG unit i.e. the unit he rests his game result on, you should be blasting it to hell with ranged firepower or tar-pitting it. Don't let them near your nobs.

I think Blair's tip is the wisest one
Just run over those over-grown wolves with your Battlewagon!! (Every unsaved wound= 1 Wolf Instakilled And if you don't kill them all with only the wagon...well...you have your Nobs inside the trasport ready to smash the survivors

One note on the OP:
I don't believe having two Waaagh! banners gives you +2 WS, you only get +1.
Other than that, as Blair said, how can the wolves charge them if they are in the BW?

Also I think they can get TH/SS into the unit so be carefull with the Battlewagon around them. Maybe have a second one as a back up BW, both with Deff Rollas to try and trap him.

n0t_u wrote:Also I think they can get TH/SS into the unit so be carefull with the Battlewagon around them. Maybe have a second one as a back up BW, both with Deff Rollas to try and trap him.

This made me double-check the codex, and I found a problem with the OP's friends squad.
Only ONE Thunderwolf Rider may replace his close combat weapon with something from the list, so he cannot take one with a Wolf Claw AND one with a Power Weapon. He could however, take a Plasma Pistol instead of the Power Weapon. It's the same points and he would get his Wound Allocation.

I don't play SW so I might be thinking of that mounted SC if they can't get them

ah thanks for the info, that renders his squad a bit less dangerous, but as on the charge: i run 3 battlewagons, he runs 10 long fangs, all of them with missle launchers, he says he likes to be able to choose or he attacks vehicles or infantry, and he mostly pointsboth units at my nob bw and if it is down at the nobs, because he rea'lly hates them, so yea he will be able tocharge me

drakenkanon wrote:ah thanks for the info, that renders his squad a bit less dangerous, but as on the charge: i run 3 battlewagons, he runs 10 long fangs, all of them with missle launchers, he says he likes to be able to choose or he attacks vehicles or infantry, and he mostly pointsboth units at my nob bw and if it is down at the nobs, because he rea'lly hates them, so yea he will be able tocharge me

missile launchers on BWs?

If they are hitting the front it is likely they wont do jack

gothgar wrote:

drakenkanon wrote:ah thanks for the info, that renders his squad a bit less dangerous, but as on the charge: i run 3 battlewagons, he runs 10 long fangs, all of them with missle launchers, he says he likes to be able to choose or he attacks vehicles or infantry, and he mostly pointsboth units at my nob bw and if it is down at the nobs, because he rea'lly hates them, so yea he will be able tocharge me

missile launchers on BWs?

If they are hitting the front it is likely they wont do jack

really? i thought that with a space marine bs you shoould be able to destroy a bw with ml's. but will multi melta's be better on long fangs then? since they got the same str as long as the vehicle isnt within 12"

drakenkanon wrote:

gothgar wrote:

drakenkanon wrote:ah thanks for the info, that renders his squad a bit less dangerous, but as on the charge: i run 3 battlewagons, he runs 10 long fangs, all of them with missle launchers, he says he likes to be able to choose or he attacks vehicles or infantry, and he mostly pointsboth units at my nob bw and if it is down at the nobs, because he rea'lly hates them, so yea he will be able tocharge me

missile launchers on BWs?

If they are hitting the front it is likely they wont do jack

really? i thought that with a space marine bs you shoould be able to destroy a bw with ml's. but will multi melta's be better on long fangs then? since they got the same str as long as the vehicle isnt within 12"

Well, like I said, if you are hitting the front, the best you can do is glance on a 6. Side armor is 12 though, so split your squads and you may be able to get a side.

MLs are great, never said they weren't, but you can't depend on hitting, rolling a 6 and then another 6 to destroy (they are open topped, so you'll get +1 on the dmg chart)

hmm, so should i advice multi metla then?

Basically with 4 MLs you're generating about .3 glances a turn per 4, with 10 that's slightly higher than 1 glance a turn. So you probably won't be doing much but if he can stop you moving or weapon destroy you he could potentially scupper you, not to mention that he is probably getting a side shot with two units.

Have to agree on the "no +2WS" for your nobs - A waagh banner gives +1WS, so no matter how many you have in the unit you ONLY get +1WS.

drakenkanon wrote:hmm, so should i advice multi metla then?

Nah he chose the one thats basically the best. Multimeltas require them to get a bit too close to the enemy to do anything and he's better off getting the meltas in a different squad. ML allow the squad to be diverse enough to be effective in nearly every situation.

Best thing he can do really would be to lure your BW so as to get a clear shot to the side armour. I've seen Lascannons work well though, but if you run up a huge mob of boyz best he can do is kill one per shot, just like the MultiMelta, before they're in combat and likely dead.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Have to agree on the "no +2WS" for your nobs - A waagh banner gives +1WS, so no matter how many you have in the unit you ONLY get +1WS.

really? but then there isnt really any point of playing one is there? ws 4 or 5 doesnt matter enough to spend 15 points, so another pk then?

remco

Well, hitting on 3s against MEQs, and forcing lesser ICs to hit on 4s is a BIG BIG deal.

1/6th more hits is well worth 15 points *for a unit of 10*

i was told that you only hit on 3+ if you have twice the ws :S anyway thanks a lot, i was just going to assemble my unit of nobs

drakenkanon wrote:i was told that you only hit on 3+ if you have twice the ws :S

No, you hit on 3s as long as you're WS is greater than your opponents WS. If your WS is less than half your opponents (ex: 3 vs 7 or 4 vs. 9) then you hit on a 5+. Everything in between is a 4+.

drakenkanon wrote:i was told that you only hit on 3+ if you have twice the ws :S anyway thanks a lot, i was just going to assemble my unit of nobs

I'd suggest reading your rulebook, page 37

nosferatu1001 wrote:

drakenkanon wrote:i was told that you only hit on 3+ if you have twice the ws :S anyway thanks a lot, i was just going to assemble my unit of nobs

I'd suggest reading your rulebook, page 37

yea i did it after you guys told me, but i trusted the people who told me this, but it appears they dont know the rules well enough to teach others

Only do this for your first couple of games, after that sit down and read the entire rulebook, cover to cover, every rule - dont skip over. the people teaching you probably have a mixture of 3rd,4th and 5th ed rules, along with the usual human failings of less than perfect memory.

yea i read the rules entirely, but i am bad at remembering so many numbers with the to hit and to wound tables, so i asked for a quick way to calculate what you needed to roll, like 7-bs etc. and they explained this wrong to me