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This question arose yesterday at a tournament and both rule lawyers present and the TO ( hey, that's me! ) fell short of an answer on the spot. I feel this is a rather noob question, but cannot pin point the exact rules applying.

Let'S use orks and SM in the example, as nits X and Ys always confuse me:

A unit of Ork Boyz assaluts on a Rhino and a 5-man Tactical squad nexts to it. After attacks are made, The Space marines are all dead, but the Rhino is undamaged. Do the orks get a D6 Move, or do they stay next to the tank to hit in the SM player's assault phase.

Hypotetical questions from the same example:

Are the Orks forced to mode D6, or they can simply chose to saty next to the tank.
If both units were destroyed, do the Orks get a consolitation move ( or sweeping advance move.. D6 move... ) since they were in combat with a tank?

Thanks a lot.

SkizO wrote:This question arose yesterday at a tournament and both rule lawyers present and the TO ( hey, that's me! ) fell short of an answer on the spot. I feel this is a rather noob question, but cannot pin point the exact rules applying.

Let'S use orks and SM in the example, as nits X and Ys always confuse me:

A unit of Ork Boyz assaluts on a Rhino and a 5-man Tactical squad nexts to it. After attacks are made, The Space marines are all dead, but the Rhino is undamaged. Do the orks get a D6 Move, or do they stay next to the tank to hit in the SM player's assault phase.

Hypotetical questions from the same example:

Are the Orks forced to mode D6, or they can simply chose to saty next to the tank.
If both units were destroyed, do the Orks get a consolitation move ( or sweeping advance move.. D6 move... ) since they were in combat with a tank?

Thanks a lot.

Page 41 states "After assault resolution, all units that were involved in that multiple combat must make pile-in moves towards enemies that fought in that combat." Since the Rhino did not fight in the combat, you cannot do this. Therefore, you will consolidate as normal.

Consolidate states "This means that they may move up to D6" in any direction" and "Consolidating models must therefore stop 1 " away from all enemy models". The Vehicle and Assaults rules state: "In a multiple fight including enemy vehicles and other unit types, the result of the fight is worked out as normal against the latter, ignoring the vehicles."

Therefore, (I think, not feeling well and not thinking right ), the Orks MAY consolidate, but if they do, they must move more than 1" from the rhino and will not be able to attack it next turn. If they Don't, they remain in BTB and will attack it next turn (at S3 remember, so don't do this unless your PK is in BTB with the Rhino).

At first I thought to disagree, thinking your argument would allow consolidation after assaulting lone vehicles. However, after reading the rules and because vehicles can't be locked in combat, I agree.

Incidentally, I'm not feeling too clever after staying up all night playing dragon age. What's up with you?

Soup and a roll wrote:At first I thought to disagree, thinking your argument would allow consolidation after assaulting lone vehicles. However, after reading the rules and because vehicles can't be locked in combat, I agree.

Incidentally, I'm not feeling too clever after staying up all night playing dragon age. What's up with you?

Staying up all night playing Vassal

But yeah, you cannot consolidate after combat with Non Walker Vehicles only.

Gwar,

I would believe that each model has those restrictions. The models not in BTB could not consolodate into the vehicle but may move d6 within coherency. the models in BtB are free to NOT move, but if they do so they must end up 1" away from the vehicle.

I agree with the consensus, with one potential objection:

Gwar! wrote:
Consolidate states "This means that they may move up to D6" in any direction" and "Consolidating models must therefore stop 1 " away from all enemy models". The Vehicle and Assaults rules state: "In a multiple fight including enemy vehicles and other unit types, the result of the fight is worked out as normal against the latter, ignoring the vehicles."

Therefore, (I think, not feeling well and not thinking right ), the Orks MAY consolidate, but if they do, they must move more than 1" from the rhino and will not be able to attack it next turn. If they Don't, they remain in BTB and will attack it next turn (at S3 remember, so don't do this unless your PK is in BTB with the Rhino).

Emphasis: "must therefore stop 1 " away from all enemy models" vs. "must move more than 1" from the rhino" If you ask me, any units in BtB with the Rhino would be able to stop less than 1" away, so long as they don't move closer to it. (e.g. they can move parallel to its flank) just a minor point, and it probably won't come up much, but I was wondering your opinion...

Gwar, a minor mistake:

The PK Nob doesn't have to be in b2b just within 2" of a model that is(third paragraph of "successive turns" BRB pg 63)