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Eldrad
210

Yriel
155

7 Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL Shuricannons/TL shuricats Stones
222

7 Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL Shuricannons/TL shuricats Stones
222

7 Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent w/ TL Shuricannons/TL shuricats Stones
222

10 Dire Avengers Exarch w/ PW/Shimmershield and Defend
Wave Serpent w/ TL Scatterlaser/TL shurcats Stones
287

10 Dire Avengers Exarch w/ PW/Shimmershield and Defend
Wave Serpent w/ TL Scatterlaser/TL shurcats Stones
287

5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL EML/TL shurcannons, Stones, Star Engines
205

5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent w/ TL EML/TL shurcannons, Stones, Star Engines
205

5 Dire Avengers (Ride in Falcon)
60

Fire Prism
115

Fire Prism
115

Falcon
Brightlance, Star Engines, Holofield, Stones
205

2500 points

Comments welcome

No pathfinders or warlocks on jetbikes?

hmmm... :(

Vasarto wrote:No pathfinders or warlocks on jetbikes?

hmmm... :(

Are you being serious? Pathfinders are bad most of the time and at 'Ard Boyz they would be terrible. JetCouncil requires the entire list to be based around them and they can be easily countered in any case.

Anyways.
I'm guessing Yriel and Eldrad go with the big Avenger squads (together or one in each)? Not convinced that this is a great way to go, off the top of my head I can't remember if Defend actually works if they allocate attacks against the IC (due to the wording of Defend) and they are often going to be the main target anyway as they do the most damage. Certainly cheaper and probably more effective than a Foot Council at 'Ard Boyz though. Consider Bladestorm so you can do more damage before you get tied up in combat.

I'm not a fan of Shuriken Cannons as a Serpent's main weapon, try and find the points to at least get Scatters if you can.

Running a Bright Lance on a Falcon probably isn't the best place for it due to single shot + BS3, either stick them on Serpents so they get T/L bonus or Wraithlords (obviously not in this list though), otherwise use less expensive and/or multi shot weapons. The best way to use a Falcon is as a backfield gunboat which puts out huge amounts of firepower while moving 6" a turn, which means Pulse Laser, Scatter Laser and underslung Cannon for maximum S6 goodness. If you were wanting to use it as a S8 gunboat then you would be better off using an EML in any case as it works better with the Pulse Laser anyway (Bright Lance is for AV13-14, Pulse Laser is for AV12).
The DAVU Serpents and the Falcon don't need Star Engines imo, I've never found the need to move 36" in a single turn and there are probably better places to spend the points.

I would drop the Star Engines and Stones from the DAVU Serpents and change them to Bright Lances, and swap the Bright Lance on the Falcon to a Scatter Laser, add an underslung Cannon and drop the Star Engines. Use the points to give the Fire Dragon Serpents Scatters and anything left over I would use to upgrade more of the Serpents to have underslung Cannons.

Adding more AT from the Serpents means you can use the 7 man Fire Dragon squads more effectively. 7 Fire Dragons is total overkill against just about any tank in the game, the only reason you take more than 5-6 per squad is so you can use them to toast MEQ, MCs and tougher infantry units, so ideally you want to be able to pop some tanks without using the Fire Dragons.

basically everything this guy said.

Defend works on attacks directed at Yriel but not Eldrad.

I find the BL to be a nice weapon on the Falcon, its great for IDing oblits and what not and since an Eldar list usually have enough str 6 weapons I usually have a BL on my falcon, especially since Eldrad should be able to guide it when needed. YMMV

Other than that Powerguy is pretty much spot on.

Booooooooring. And... typical. I'm sure you'll do fine regardless of what is in the skimmers.

Only question is: What is the best strategy to use against this army? Using Space Marines?

here is what you do. in ard boyz there is no sportsmanship so talk a lot of trash. I'm not kidding. Talk about what a lousy player your opponent is to run a crutch army like this. Question all of his movements. make him re-measure. Call judges constantly. Slow the game down so that when it ends you are on the obj's. make him mad, mad people make mistakes. This is not an honest army type, it's WAAC, but this is ard boyz and the only place it's okay to run it with a clear conscience. You will win by using the dark side. If you shift your armies meta to deal with this you will shift it too far out of line for all comers so just give in to the dark side. Also, read my sig.

Kungfuhustler wrote:here is what you do. in ard boyz there is no sportsmanship so talk a lot of trash. I'm not kidding. Talk about what a lousy player your opponent is to run a crutch army like this. Question all of his movements. make him re-measure. Call judges constantly. Slow the game down so that when it ends you are on the obj's. make him mad, mad people make mistakes. This is not an honest army type, it's WAAC, but this is ard boyz and the only place it's okay to run it with a clear conscience. You will win by using the dark side. If you shift your armies meta to deal with this you will shift it too far out of line for all comers so just give in to the dark side. Also, read my sig.

Sound strategy

This is gonna be a fun army to beat as ill prolly end up playing you at ard boyz

He's bigger than me, knows more than me, I don't get to trash talk until I beat him in a game. And even then, small talk. Only when I am on par with Oldmanultramarine, do I get to trash talk.

Nakis wrote:He's bigger than me, knows more than me, I don't get to trash talk until I beat him in a game. And even then, small talk. Only when I am on par with Oldmanultramarine, do I get to trash talk.

he is a big girl trash talk him at all times please.


btw who is this, i have to know you lol

I brought a 9 waveserpent list to 'ard boyz semifinals last year and got totally owned by, of all things, a basic CSM army with a mix of units I never thought would be competitive.

But when they're 24" away, your guns don't pop their rhino, 19 wounds become 1 on a plaguemarine squad, and their plasma blows up your serpent, followed by the fire dragons being pinned, then the daemon prince passes all his saves and charges you.... and every squad of dire avengers loses 3 guys out of the wreckage and falls back....ugh.

Never forget. Your fancy wave serpent forcefield rules don't prevent someone rolling a 6 for a S7 weapon, and if someone's glancing hit gets past your 4+ cover save for moving flat out, they WILL immobilize you. Learned that from opponent #2's sniper lootas :(

i like it.

Just a couple things I see as holes.

DA PW/SS yes you will have Eldrad or Yriel with these, but they will just be a liability. Your Exarch will have 2 attacks at s3, and be wounded in return by 3+ vs marines that will make some pretty hefty failcake. You still have to setup the assault like all other Serpent bound CC. Once not in combat you'll get shot to hell.

You have invested 205pts into a single Falcon, but have not put holofields on your biggest target vs marines (prisms)? WHile formerly an advocate of naked prisms, at the 2500 mark you NEED the extra survivability on your prisms to keep them a threat.

Underslug Shurican is not TL.