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I am looking in the BGB, where does it show that each vehicle in a squadron and dedicated transports count as one kill point each. (Stupid 8 months without a game!)

p91, Annihilation, 2nd paragraph.

"At the end of the game each player receives 1 "kill point" for each enemy unit that has been completely destroyed.

A dedicated transport is a single unit and so gives 1KP

A vehicle squadron is a single unit and so gives 1KP (regardless of how many vehicles are in the squadron).

I see that, where does it say the transport counts as a single unit? And I thought if you had 3 IG tanks in a unit it was worth 3 kill points not just one, am i just remembering wrong? I have been out of it for a bit and I am *trying* not to let the guy I am playing get to me and argue. He has dead dedicated transports, I have 1 dead walker in a group of three but he won't take the point since he has a squdron of tanks about to get toasted by a unit of fire dragons from very close range.

I think he is really upset that he is not doing too well after braging for about 30 minutes how no one that he has ever played can touch him, and it would be a real privilage for me to get the chance, but since he wants to practice for 'ard boys... yadda, yadda, yadda.

Current score 3 (5 with transports) to 0 (1 with walker).

dedicated transports are a "unit" as defined by the rules, therefore theyre worth 1kp, squadrons are also a "unit" in their entirety, so to get the kp you need to kill thee enti8rre squadron.

Dedicated Transports are a unit. If they weren't, they wouldn't do anything at all.

Right page number for them being a unit? I actually have found the bit about the entire unit needing to be killed, sucks for him. Upside the squad is one kill point, down side, it is destroyed on immobilized and shares extra hits. Btw, fire dragons scored 5 pens and a glance on unit, with 3 destroyed results, lost 0 fire dragons. Now he should kill them and get his first kill point.

Orion_44 wrote:Right page number for them being a unit? I actually have found the bit about the entire unit needing to be killed, sucks for him. Upside the squad is one kill point, down side, it is destroyed on immobilized and shares extra hits. Btw, fire dragons scored 5 pens and a glance on unit, with 3 destroyed results, lost 0 fire dragons. Now he should kill them and get his first kill point.

The entire rulebook is the page number. If the Transport is not a unit, NONE OF THE RULES IN THE BOOK APPLY TO THEM, and they do nothing, they can't move, can't shoot, can't be shot at etc etc etc.

They are a separate unit, as they do not have to keep coherency with the unit it is bought for.

Okay, we are all running into the same issue. My opponent is not going to give me the kill point until I show that the dedicated transport is a different unit. I have now killed the last guardsman who was in one of the units and ended my shooting phase, so score is 5 to 0 and my avatar with one wound is going to assault a shaken hellhound so I should have 6 by the end of my turn. He should have at least 2 by the end of his. I do like the don't have to keep coherency argument though, it whould work if this comes up with a normal player.

And I do know that transports are separate kill points normally, just not for this game!

Orion_44 wrote:Okay, we are all running into the same issue. My opponent is not going to give me the kill point until I show that the dedicated transport is a different unit. I have now killed the last guardsman who was in one of the units and ended my shooting phase, so score is 5 to 0 and my avatar with one wound is going to assault a shaken hellhound so I should have 6 by the end of my turn. He should have at least 2 by the end of his. I do like the don't have to keep coherency argument though, it whould work if this comes up with a normal player.

And I do know that transports are separate kill points normally, just not for this game!

If he refuses to listen to the rules, stop playing him. Nothing we say is going to convince him.

I'm fairly certain it's stated that DT are seperate units under the section for DT. You should be able to find dedicated transports in the index. At the very least flip through the section about transports. The blurp about DT is in a grey box with the title Dedicated Transports.

Worst comes to worst let him have his way and then he gets to ard boyz he'll have quite a shock. Sounds like you're kickin' some tail anyways.

Orion_44 wrote: My opponent is not going to give me the kill point until I show that the dedicated transport is a different unit. I have now killed the last guardsman ...

If he's playing Guard, have a look in the Codex, page 99, just under the heading 'Dedicated Transports'

"These vehicles do not use up any force organisation chart selections, but otherwise function as separate units'

"For example, a Rhino bought for a Space Marine Tactical Squad (Troops) counts as a unit of Troops..." -Rulebook, p87.

"These vehicles [dedicated transports] do not use up any force organisation chart selections, but otherwise function as separate units." -IG Codex, p99.

Too easy.