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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:10:20
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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Having never used him, I just noticed he does not have Headstrong or Berserk Charge when reading my codex earlier for fun.
Now Berserk Charge is not a big deal since he has base 3 attacks, which on the charge makes him even with a normal Blood Claw that has Berserk Charge. But I got to thinking about Headstrong and how his lack of it might affect the rest of the Blood Claws.
So, if the Blood Claw pack is required to charge if within 6" of an enemy model and Lukas is not, could he refuse to charge, be considered the slowest model in the unit, and thus force the rest of the Blood Claw pack not to charge because they have to move as slow as the slowest model?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:13:42
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The unit makes a charge declaration as the unit has the rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:19:47
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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On the bottom of page 11, Different Movement Distances in a Unit:
All of the models in a unit move at the speed of the slowest model.
page 34, Moving Assaulting Models:
All of the models in an assaulting unit make their assault move following the same rules as in the Movement phase, with the exception that they may be moved within 1" of enemy models.
Lukas refusing to assault, would make him the slowest moving model in the unit and thus the unit would be compelled to move at his speed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:27:32
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Charging Dragon Prince
Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
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If he is in the unit, they charge. Stop splitting hairs. If you want to keep him by himself, you don't have to worry about it. refusing to assault does not make him the slowest moving unit. His actual movement range is just fine. The choice not to furious charge does not make his movement any less than his bros. Don't split hairs for advantages on wording, SW already have plenty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:31:10
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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B.R. - except *he* cannot refuse to assault, the unit makes 1 declaration of which the unit (which do have the Headstrong rule) MUST declare a charge.
He has nothing which makes him M0 so he is niot the slowest model in the unit. Interesting attempt, but flawed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:32:59
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Charging Dragon Prince
Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
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So Lukas refuses to assault, okay fine, that just means the rest of the BC assault without him. He is not intended (I assume) to be a character who's purpose is to restrain bloodclaws from their one problematic waah waah we aren't awesome anymore because you can bait us to charge rule. Logic says that if you get him bought with a BC squad, he is pretty much stuck with them usually. Don't be a word nazi, read it as intended instead of trying to interpret it as something it was obviously not meant for. For chris sake you already get a SW codex, is it really necessary to bully loopholes to be THAT MUCH MORE CHEESE?
He joins a unit by being in cohesion with them, or in this case, bought with them as an upgrade, not the other way around. They don't join him. They still obey all the rules of their unit unless his upgrade makes a specific exception written in. "If Lukas the trickster is in the squad, they do not suffer from their headstrong rule". Otherwise it is just a squad with an attached character. He has to deal with them. They left it out of his character description because it is irrelevant as he is (almost) always running with his squad, who are HEADSTRONG. I thought nitpicking was for WAAC or TFG, not Lukas. geez.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/05/06 10:40:37
Retroactively applied infallability is its own reward. I wish I knew this years ago.
 I am Red/White Take The Magic Dual Colour Test - Beta today! <small>Created with Rum and Monkey's Personality Test Generator.</small>I'm both chaotic and orderly. I value my own principles, and am willing to go to extreme lengths to enforce them, often trampling on the very same principles in the process. At best, I'm heroic and principled; at worst, I'm hypocritical and disorderly. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:34:20
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It's not even that far - the Unit has the rule and so must make the declaration - there is nothing that allows Lukas to refuse to declare a charge, essentially.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:35:54
Subject: Re:Lukas the Trickster
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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The real question is, why are you using Lukas instead of: a) A 2nd unit of Blood Claws b) A unit of something GOOD c) No, Seriously, WHY Are you using Lukas?? And Confirming Nos has it spot on!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:41:58
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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First of all Guitarard, Blood Claws do not have Furious Charge.
Gwar/Nos, I can see how the unit as a whole declares assault but I was looking at it the same way that say plasma gunners in a Grey Hunter squad could elect not to fire them so the unit could still assault since they are rapid fire, i.e., one model affecting the unit as a whole by either doing something or refusing to do something.
And as far as using him Gwar, I was just messing around in AB making a Herohammer SW list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:44:03
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Charging Dragon Prince
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I'd use him cuz he's cool and I don't care I just like the idea of him, points efficient or not. I don't approve of loopholing with him though. The Claws charge because it says they do, he happens to be along for the ride. And yeah sorry confused wording re: furious charge. point is they charge. No codex in front of me.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/05/06 10:45:58
Retroactively applied infallability is its own reward. I wish I knew this years ago.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/06 10:53:29
Subject: Lukas the Trickster
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BR - except here you have a rule saying you *cannot* charge if you have fired a rapid fire weapon - that is very different to the situation here.
Lukas is able to charge. His unit, of which he is an UC of (and is therefore bound by the unit) MUST declare a charge.
Nothing allows Lukas to not declare a charge, so he must charge.
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