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I have a general Space Marine Army with allied Grey Knights. I want my little silver baddies (the GKs) to get in a vehicle. I'm pretty sure 5e lets me stick them in there, but what I am not sure about is when. To wit, can I DEPLOY them in a Rhino, Razorback or Land Raider despite the fact that it technically belongs to the army they have joined as allies? My understanding is that I could take a dedicated transport and leave it empty upon deployment--perhaps the relevant unit would need to be next to it. So if that is true, why can't I fill it with Grey Knights from the beginning? At any rate, I'd very much prefer exact page references to the rules/codices about this.

The dedicated transport rules (or perhaps it’s the deployment rules) state that only the unit it was purchased for can START the game deployed in a dedicated transport. Any unit which can legally embark, OTOH, can start deployed in a non-dedicated transport, which is taken with its own Force Org slot.

You can't take Grey Knights with Space Marines

GK Codex page 21

re-read that codex, ductvader. you can take GK allies in a SM codex list. you CANNOT take SM's in a DH list that has GK's, however.

Honersstodnt wrote:re-read that codex, ductvader. you can take GK allies in a SM codex list. you CANNOT take SM's in a DH list that has GK's, however.

Sorry...I actually knew that...but playing GK as a pure army has got me into a one track mindset of of thinking about allies...thanks.

Mannahnin wrote:The dedicated transport rules (or perhaps it’s the deployment rules) state that only the unit it was purchased for can START the game deployed in a dedicated transport. Any unit which can legally embark, OTOH, can start deployed in a non-dedicated transport, which is taken with its own Force Org slot.

That is helpful. To clarify, you state "Any unit...can start deployed in a non-dedicated transport, which is taken with its own Force Org slot," does this mean that the GKs CANNOT start in a SM Land Raider? The Land Raider is not dedicated and as an allied force, does this mean that my force has two Force Orgs or just one that is shared and weird?

polonius916 wrote:That is helpful. To clarify, you state "Any unit...can start deployed in a non-dedicated transport, which is taken with its own Force Org slot," does this mean that the GKs CANNOT start in a SM Land Raider?

If the LR is taken as a stand-along vehicle, yes, they can start in it. If it is taken as a dedicated transport, they can not.

The Land Raider is not dedicated and as an allied force, does this mean that my force has two Force Orgs or just one that is shared and weird?

The rules for allies in the WH and DH codexes still use a single FoC. So the GK's are a part of the same chart, and a part of the same army. They can use any non-dedicated transport freely, and can climb aboard any dedicated transport after the game starts.


Note that the same is not true of DH transports... Dedicated Transports selected from Codex: DH can only transport the unit for which they were purchased.

Sweet, thanks.