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here is a question.

Swarmlord/Hive Tyrant etc is worth 2KP.

what are the Tyrant guards worth? 1 or 2KP? They are a retinue unit, only purchasable if a Tyrant or Swarmlord is taken, yet they occupy a seperate entry in the codex. Albeit, one that doesnt count to force organization purposes...

so what the call? 1 or 2KP?

HiveFleet wrote:here is a question.

Swarmlord/Hive Tyrant etc is worth 2KP.

what are the Tyrant guards worth? 1 or 2KP? They are a retinue unit, only purchasable if a Tyrant or Swarmlord is taken, yet they occupy a seperate entry in the codex. Albeit, one that doesnt count to force organization purposes...

so what the call? 1 or 2KP?

No, they are not a Retinue unit.

They are worth 2KP, as they are an HQ unit.

Gwar! wrote:

HiveFleet wrote:here is a question.

Swarmlord/Hive Tyrant etc is worth 2KP.

what are the Tyrant guards worth? 1 or 2KP? They are a retinue unit, only purchasable if a Tyrant or Swarmlord is taken, yet they occupy a seperate entry in the codex. Albeit, one that doesnt count to force organization purposes...

so what the call? 1 or 2KP?

No, they are not a Retinue unit.

They are worth 1KP.

How do you get that, Gwar? They look like an HQ unit to me (as that's where they appear in the codex), even if one that doesn't occupy a Force Org slot.

Janthkin wrote:How do you get that, Gwar? They look like an HQ unit to me (as that's where they appear in the codex), even if one that doesn't occupy a Force Org slot.

It was a typo, and I fixed it right away. You must have quoted me as I was editing it. :( Note how I edited it at 18:50 and you posted at 18:52. Dern Interwebs.

So to be clear, A Tyrant and Guard are worth 2KP EACH, for a total of 4KP.

Gotcha, thats what I was thinking. Just wanted confirmation from another!

Thanks!

Surely if you join them together they are only worth 2KP? They join *as* an IC, but never are, meaning they are NOT a retinue and ytou only have a single unit deployed on the table.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Surely if you join them together they are only worth 2KP? They join *as* an IC, but never are, meaning they are NOT a retinue and ytou only have a single unit deployed on the table.

No. You still have 2 units. They only Join as an IC. You still have 2 Units however, so they are worth 2KP in Normal games (4 at Ard Boyz).

nosferatu1001 wrote:Surely if you join them together they are only worth 2KP? They join *as* an IC, but never are, meaning they are NOT a retinue and ytou only have a single unit deployed on the table.

Mmmm, worms in a can.

Depends on your local interpretation, I think. If, for example, you're using the INAT, then the Tyrant is free to walk away from the Guard at any time. You can also deploy them as separate units and join them up during the Movement phase.

I'd look at it this way: in a DoW scenario*, would you allow both the Tyrant and the Guard to be deployed as the single HQ unit? For my Tyranids, I wouldn't play it that way.

*Yes, I know there is no DoW in the Ard Boyz this year.

For the DoW question, the tyrant joins the unit "as if it were an independent character". That leaves you stuck in the situation of trying to deploy two HQ units when you're only allowed to deploy one, since RaW the two units (the not-quite-IC and the other unit) don't combine until they've been deployed.

Gwar! wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Surely if you join them together they are only worth 2KP? They join *as* an IC, but never are, meaning they are NOT a retinue and ytou only have a single unit deployed on the table.

No. You still have 2 units. They only Join as an IC. You still have 2 Units however, so they are worth 2KP in Normal games (4 at Ard Boyz).

Joining as an IC makes you and the unit one and the same - the only time an IC is a seperate unit is in assault, when at the end it again reminds you that it becomes a member of the unit, singular.

If there were two units the HT could walk away, when it cannot as it is NOT an IC.