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I assumed that the wound taken from a Gets Hot! result was from an AP2 Plasma weapon. (So terminators would have to use their 5++ against it.)

Seems I was wrong.

I asked for someone in another thread to explain where it says it isn't from the plasma weapon itself (merely for clarification and understanding on my part) and they were very rude and started explaining the hit, wound, save system (thanks, I think I got it.)

So could someone who isn't having a really bad day please clarify.

Thanks.

Simply stated, the Gets Hot! Rule says to take a save. Not, "take a save as if shot by the weapon you are shooting."

So it is simply a normal save, any armour save you have you will get.

You are told to take a wound. No AP is specified.

It is a pretty common misconception to believe that the Gets Hot! wound has the AP of the relevant weapon. But the rule simply states that the model suffers a wound for each roll of "1" and normal saves apply. Since there is no mentions of strength or AP, the wound suffered is just that: a generic wound.

striogi wrote:Simply stated, the Gets Hot! Rule says to take a save. Not, "take a save as if shot by the weapon you are shooting."

It doesn't actually say to take a save. The Gets Hot! rule says that the model suffers a wound. It doesn't say that it suffers a wound from the weapon... just a wound.

And wounds can be saved, unless a specific rule says otherwise.

insaniak wrote:It doesn't actually say to take a save. The Gets Hot! rule says that the model suffers a wound. It doesn't say that it suffers a wound from the weapon... just a wound.

And wounds can be saved, unless a specific rule says otherwise.

Meh. Simple question, simple answer. My rulebook is apparently at home.

/shrug

Thanks guys.

that all I was lookig for.

And just to make it even more certain:

Yes, you can take any saves you have, including Armour Saves!

I fell for this misconception as did my gaming partner until I read a thread on here which explained it. Another win for dakka!

Fluff says that the firer is hit by the vented steam from the misfire NOT the plasma.

Gwar! wrote:And just to make it even more certain:

Yes, you can take any saves you have, including Armour Saves!

Including cover saves? That seems silly, but I don't have the rulebook here so can't check.

Redemption wrote:

Gwar! wrote:And just to make it even more certain:

Yes, you can take any saves you have, including Armour Saves!

Including cover saves? That seems silly, but I don't have the rulebook here so can't check.

A cove save is as easy as tossing the gun behind a tree and picking it up when it's safe.

Norade wrote:A cove save is as easy as tossing the gun behind a tree and picking it up when it's safe.

That mental image will keep me warm at night

No, I do not think you could use a cover save, as cover saves are specifically used for shooting. Think of the fact that you can't use cover saves in close combat.

Kolath wrote:No, I do not think you could use a cover save, as cover saves are specifically used for shooting. Think of the fact that you can't use cover saves in close combat.

Because the rules say you cannot use cover saves in Close Combat.

In short, yes, you can use Cover Saves.

Or maybe you can't, as always it can be argued either way.

I read somewhere (still looking) that you get the armour save not a cover save, after all the shooter is supposed to be holding the thing after all.

There's not much cover between you and a gun when it blows up in your face.

That sounds right.

Damn it. All those times I've not used the plasma on my termi's! Bugger!!!111!!!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
D'not change them there bad ass enough already.

It's true they are. but for a tourny plasma are a good middle ground for troop or mech.

Here's another thought, if the plasma weapons malfunctioned, and the figure survives what does he shoot next turn, after all his primary weapons broke.

Harms66 wrote:I read somewhere that you get the armour save not a cover save.

Gets Hot only says saves may be taken as normal.

Well in my case it would only be a combi plasma anyway. But yeah good point.

Although apparently the fluff says about it being a venting of the hot gas that causes the wound so maybe it's not broken.

You'd think twice about using it again, how about miss a go, I know there's no rule but.......

Harms66 wrote:Here's another thought, if the plasma weapons malfunctioned, and the figure survives what does he shoot next turn, after all his primary weapons broke.

It didn't break, it just overheated. There is no rule saying it can't be used again in subsequent turns.

FNP can be used against Gets hot too.

a CCS with a medic can take their 5+ armor and then their 4+ FNP against any gets hot wounds.

Marine command squads are great for loading up on otherwise dangerous plasma.

15% chance of a wound, 85% change of saved by armor and then a 50% chance to be saved by the Apothacary.

Hate to thread jack but do you still take Gets Hot! on a bike?

Zarake wrote:Hate to thread jack but do you still take Gets Hot! on a bike?

Yes, the only time you are exempt from taking a Gets Hot! is when the weapon is vehicle mounted. Even passengers must take a wound from a Gets Hot! weapon if they fired it out of a firepoint.

I also had a similar problem, I think Gets hot shouldn't allow armour saves though I know it does, that's why I started a poll yesterday about this very topic.

TRISKELION7 wrote:I also had a similar problem, I think Gets hot shouldn't allow armour saves though I know it does, that's why I started a poll yesterday about this very topic.

So you don't read fluff to know that in most cases the wound is from hot coolant venting at a bad time and not from the weapon exploding, and you have no regard for game balance... Real winner so far...