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Is he worth the points or am I better off going with Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf mount? Please elaborate..

Canis is a very good buy, however a TH/SS Bear lord is more survivable and can hurt everything, as Canis cannot rend and therefore cant hit vehicles.

S10 thunderhammers are evil.

He's only really worth the points if you plan on taking a metric crapton of Fenrisian wolves. However, as Fenrisian Wolves are not great troops, (since they can never score,) they are best left in the fast attack slot, where they pale in comparison to some of the other choices you can take. As an independent character meant for close combat, a similarly equipped Wolf Lord on a TWC mount will perform equally, (having the same Toughness, Strength, Attacks, Armor Save,) have a slightly higher WS, a much higher BS, and a higher Ld value. It is about 15 points more expensive than Canis, but that's including a wolftooth necklace and a wolf tail tailsman, which canis has, but can sometimes be extra baggage.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:Canis is a very good buy, however a TH/SS Bear lord is more survivable and can hurt everything, as Canis cannot rend and therefore cant hit vehicles.

S10 thunderhammers are evil.

Canis has the Rending USR in his army list entry. However, yeah. An S10 Thunderhammer wins out.

1) there is no such thing as a "rending USR" - look in the USR section, there is no "rending" listed there.

2) Rending weapons are listed as a type of special CCW. So are power weapons. Unless he has Rending LIghtning Claws, which Shrike does as it *explicitly* states he does, you cannot combine the effects of both Rending and the Claws.

FOr further confirmation read the SW FAQ, which talk about TWC losing Rending if they use Thunderhammers, etc.

nosferatu1001 wrote:1) there is no such thing as a "rending USR" - look in the USR section, there is no "rending" listed there.

2) Rending weapons are listed as a type of special CCW. So are power weapons. Unless he has Rending LIghtning Claws, which Shrike does as it *explicitly* states he does, you cannot combine the effects of both Rending and the Claws.

FOr further confirmation read the SW FAQ, which talk about TWC losing Rending if they use Thunderhammers, etc.

So your argument is that GW gave him the rending rule explicitly so he couldn't use it.

This is where the RAW approach falls down. Honestly, I can follow your logic because it is sound but its still moronic.


Canis is more comparable to a WGBL. He works out quite cheaply compared to one of them. However a Wolf Lord on Wolf is betetr than Canis in every single way, particularly in that they can get an invulnerable.

If you want multiple units of T-Cav he can be good since he allows you to buy a pack of fenrisians to team up with every unit of t-Cav (i.e. screen them) whereas in a regular wolf army you can only partner them up once.

Unless you're going T-Cav heavy I'd not bother with him.

I would argue that as Calgar is allowed to "turn off" his gauntlets to use his power sword, then Canis is allowed to do the same with his claws and use his fists for rending (though he'd lose his bonus for 2 CCW's) and to quote the DA FAQ "lighning claws can be retracted into their casing"

Actually having written it out that seems daft but then how often are you planning to throw Canis at enemy armour?

@Nosferatu1001: You got me there, it's not a USR per say, but gods damn if GW doesn't pretty much treat it like one.

I'm pretty sure most folks would let the model play with rending attacks, and would avoid TFG's that didn't.

That's funny.
The RAWritten says no.
The RAIntended means no.
And yet the RAPlayed is still yes?...

Canis also has a very tactically useful ability in that you can change the number of attacks that he has (I can't remember what its called). But he can either use his attack value or he can have a number of attacks equal to the number of enemy models in BTB with him.

If he charges in and gets two to three guys in base contact (after the other guy countercharges), you might want to use that ability to lower his attacks so that you have a better chance to stay locked in combat and then on your opponents turn go to town and end the fight.

I've seen this tactic work well, and other times become moot as everything died anyway.

Sanctjud wrote:That's funny.
The RAWritten says no.
The RAIntended means no.
And yet the RAPlayed is still yes?...

Obviously the RaW players are wrong and evil!

Canis is alright. I used him in one game and he killed 20 tactical Marines. He's really good at taking out hordes of guys or squads of Marines without powerfists. I wouldn't throw him at dreadnoughts, Terminators, or an decked out HQ though, since he has no invulnerable save.

Sanctjud wrote:That's funny.
The RAWritten says no.
The RAIntended means no.
And yet the RAPlayed is still yes?...

How is RaI a no here? He's got rending listed in his Special Rules, so I'd think it's pretty obvious that, while there isn't strictly a Rending USR, he's clearly meant to have rending attacks.

No, he gets rending OR lightning claws, but not both.

does rending allow invul saves?

Rending is in his rules - why wouldn't he get both that and his lightning claws again?

This whole argument is pretty anal. Take it over to YMDC if you really care that much.

Because "rending" is not a special rule, but a type of special weapon.

When you have more than one special weapon, you cannot gain the benefits of both - you have to choose.#

And this isnt "anal" - see the actual FAQ where they confirm that TWC, who *also* have rending as a special rule, dont get to combine it with powerfists / thunderhammers / etc.

kenneydee wrote:does rending allow invul saves?

Very little denies it - AFAIK, only Psycannons and Incinerators (Both exclusive to Grey Knights/Daemonhunters) do so. I could be wrong, though. To answer your question, though, yes, rending hits allow invuls. Not armor, though.